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I think there is a big misunderstanding what locked/unlocked means.

All phones that are made are always assigned to a carrier (yes even the ones that say "Factory GSM Unlocked") to prove that just look up the model of the phone and you will see what carrier it was assigned to.

In order for a phone to have service the company has to know that you want service on this phone.

In the past company's like Sprint and Verizon did not work with a sim card they worked with the id of the phone to recognize what kind of phone / what carrier it was assigned to. This is know as CDMA. Yet company's like att/t-mobile did that too but the service was applied by using a sim.

Once LTE came out for what ever reason all company switched to the "Sim technology". There is still one thing that did not change, each carrier has their assigned bands that they have from the FCC that they are allowed to use.

Being that there are standard bands that every one uses (for international or the like) these are included in every phone. So.... All verizon phones will work on att, BUT will only have the bands for slower internet since those are standard bands.

Now verizon's LTE band is NOT a standard nor is their CDMA a standard so an att or a t-mobile phone will NOT be able to accept a Verizon sim.

Now lets go to sprint phones,

All other company's when they had the phones made for them all they do is have it customized for its own use (Read: their own LTE bands). Sprint on the other hand not only did they have them customize it they put a lock in the software blocking all local USA bands (Verizon ATT and Tmobile).

They even go a step farther and they still do the old way of checking the device ID to see if its a sprint phone or not.

Hope this explains a few things feel free to ask any questions.

Att has an easy way to ask for an unlock https://att.com/deviceunlock

How to check a Sprint iPhone (only): You cannot check it with an american sim you must put in a foreign sim. You DO NOT have to backup and restore as sprint sends in the email! Connect to wifi before starting this procedure.

When you put the sim in one of 3 things will happen.
1. It will say no service in the top right corner = Unlocked
2. It will do a soft restart and ask you for your apple id password = Almost unlocked, after putting in the password its unlocked
3. It will do a soft restart and say "Sim not valid" = Phone is locked

If you got number 2. and you dont know the password just put in your old sim and all will return. When you find out the password repeat the steps.

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #400 on: June 29, 2016, 10:52:18 AM »
Which law?

While this probably SHOULD be the law, as it is in Israel, especially in today's day and age of no subsidies, I am unaware of any current such law.

I don't see how this doesn't violate any anti-trust rules or something of the sort. On the contrary, IIRC it's even illegal to flash a phone that you own outright.

It's not a law. Verizon had to agree to do it under pressure from the FCC. GIYF.

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #401 on: June 29, 2016, 10:56:18 AM »
It's not a law. Verizon had to agree to do it under pressure from the FCC. GIYF.
They all did. Verizon just has an advantage over AT&T and T-Mobile that even if you unlock it you wont have fast data so they will 90% of the time keep the customers. So they just unlocked all the phones, instead of having to deal with the customers. On the other hand once an At&T or T-Mobile is unlock its not the same story.
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #402 on: June 29, 2016, 10:57:43 AM »
It's not a law. Verizon had to agree to do it under pressure from the FCC. GIYF.

Seems like in certain instances it is indeed illegal. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/27.16 (section e)
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #403 on: June 29, 2016, 10:59:03 AM »
-1 See wiki he will have slow data.

By the way there is no law requiring them to have it factory unlocked. This was a decision Verizon made to MOST phones. I have seen in the past customers that did not pay off the phone yet, that the phone will be locked.



Which law?

While this probably SHOULD be the law, as it is in Israel, especially in today's day and age of no subsidies, I am unaware of any current such law.

I don't see how this doesn't violate any anti-trust rules or something of the sort. On the contrary, IIRC it's even illegal to flash a phone that you own outright.

By law is a bad choice of words. I apologize. A more accurate phrase would be contractually bound. The FCC sold them an LTE band (700) on condition that they would unlock all phones using that band. Verizon decided to make it a public relations bragging point and unlock almost all new phones.

The law regarding flashing phones changed a couple of years ago. Now, it's illegal for carriers to prevent you from configuring it to be used on another carrier.

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/cell-phone-unlocking-faqs
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #404 on: June 29, 2016, 11:01:09 AM »
The law regarding flashing phones changed a couple of years ago. Now, it's illegal for carriers to prevent you from configuring it to be used on another carrier.
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You must meet the policy requirements for them to be required by law.
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #405 on: June 29, 2016, 11:07:31 AM »
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You must meet the policy requirements for them to be required by law.
They don't have to unlock it for you (that part was a voluntary agreement), but they cannot prevent you from unlocking it yourself (ie; you have full rights to unlock it without the company having any grounds to accuse you of violating anything).
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #406 on: June 29, 2016, 11:08:40 AM »
They don't have to unlock it for you (that part was a voluntary agreement), but they cannot prevent you from unlocking it yourself (ie; you have full rights to unlock it without the company having any grounds to accuse you of violating anything).
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #407 on: June 29, 2016, 12:42:10 PM »
Willmyphonework.net should be in the wiki for people not to look at /sarcasm

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #408 on: June 29, 2016, 01:34:56 PM »
Willmyphonework.net should be in the wiki for people not to look at /sarcasm
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #409 on: June 30, 2016, 04:24:34 PM »
Anyone ever have luck on unlocking a straight talk wireless phone.. trying to unlock it so it can be used in israel on golan network ... when i put the sim in, it doesnt say anything about a code though but theres a message about service provider not found and my apn sertings are grayed out...?

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #410 on: June 30, 2016, 04:31:39 PM »
AT&T unlocks for free
https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/#/unlockrequest
Just a reference point, I submitted a request yesterday to unlock an eligible phone.

Within a minute they sent me an email with a click-to-confirm that I requested it. Clicked it and 2 minutes later I got an email that the request was approved.

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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #411 on: June 30, 2016, 08:48:17 PM »
Using a t-mobile phn which I want to place a Golan sim card for Israel, is such compatible to use on a t-mobile phone or is the unlocking needed? Anyone have experience with this ?
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #412 on: June 30, 2016, 08:54:21 PM »
Using a t-mobile phn which I want to place a Golan sim card for Israel, is such compatible to use on a t-mobile phone or is the unlocking needed? Anyone have experience with this ?

Which model? Some need nothing at all.
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #413 on: July 01, 2016, 01:18:13 PM »
Using a t-mobile phn which I want to place a Golan sim card for Israel, is such compatible to use on a t-mobile phone or is the unlocking needed? Anyone have experience with this ?
was the phone paid off
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« Reply #414 on: July 01, 2016, 01:19:17 PM »
Just a reference point, I submitted a request yesterday to unlock an eligible phone.

Within a minute they sent me an email with a click-to-confirm that I requested it. Clicked it and 2 minutes later I got an email that the request was approved.
Correct but it depends on what time of the day you put it in. Later in the day (after 5) it will usually happen the next day

Also on prepaid devices it takes a bit longer
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« Reply #415 on: July 01, 2016, 04:51:37 PM »
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #416 on: July 04, 2016, 01:09:55 PM »
Can I unlock  a Galaxy S7  T-Mobile BLACKLISTED IMEI phone ? if yes how ?
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #417 on: July 04, 2016, 01:14:21 PM »
If I insert a T-Mobile sim card in a Verizon Galaxy S7 , will the internet speed be the same like if  it would of be  a regular T-Mobile phone ?
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Re: cell phone unlocking
« Reply #418 on: July 04, 2016, 01:16:49 PM »
Can I unlock  a Galaxy S7  T-Mobile BLACKLISTED IMEI phone ? if yes how ?
I don't think so
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« Reply #419 on: July 04, 2016, 01:18:09 PM »
If I insert a T-Mobile sim card in a Verizon Galaxy S7 , will the internet speed be the same like if  it would of be  a regular T-Mobile phone ?
No
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