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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #135 on: June 26, 2017, 02:41:31 PM »
Personally, most people I have seen that have gone OTD (barring situations of abuse or the like) are due to taiva. They may say that they have questions but in reality, it is just an excuse, rarely do they try to find answers.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #136 on: June 26, 2017, 02:46:30 PM »
Personally, most people I have seen that have gone OTD (barring situations of abuse or the like) are due to taiva. They may say that they have questions but in reality, it is just an excuse, rarely do they try to find answers.

How do you know whether they tried to find the answers?

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #137 on: June 26, 2017, 03:06:53 PM »
How do you know whether they tried to find the answers?
ask them
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #138 on: June 26, 2017, 03:22:38 PM »
ask them

Which kid is going to say that he/she didn't even bother asking?

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #139 on: June 26, 2017, 03:24:11 PM »
Which kid is going to say that he/she didn't even bother asking?
It is not so hard to get out of them what they did to find out. Don't ask "did you ask anyone" but "Who did you discuaa this with?"
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #140 on: June 26, 2017, 03:29:08 PM »
maybe some chasidus books will help?!? 😂

Start with any torah learning. I personally recommend Baba Kama for this specific ailment.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #141 on: June 26, 2017, 04:10:33 PM »
How do you know whether they tried to find the answers?
It was more like discussing it with them. Additionally, you can tell by the way the lead their lives. If the issue is questions then why does that lead to the gimmel aveiros. Even atheists have some sort of moral guide.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #142 on: June 26, 2017, 04:17:52 PM »
Start with any torah learning. I personally recommend Baba Kama for this specific ailment.
Any torah learning can have a positive impact, as it says המאור שבה מחזירן למוטב. Not sure why you think B"K is recommended more than any other part.

All of that notwithstanding, I stand by what I said above, that just pointing the person to a sefer to learn is probably not effective in such cases. This requires personal attention of someone who cares, and is hopefully experienced, so that with סייעתא דשמיא he would be successful.

You rightfully called the situation an ailment, and just like with a חולי הגוף you wouldn't just prescribe something without proper examination, how much more so in such cases, that expert evaluation and guidance is called for.

ETA: See here regarding המאור, though that is not to detract from the simple meaning, but rather to add to it.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2017, 05:24:56 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #143 on: June 26, 2017, 07:05:17 PM »
I don't know that sending your friend "solid good books on these topics " will help him.

Your friend needs personal guidance and help. First and foremost he probably needs someone that will listen to him. One probably needs to get down to what has triggered this, before being able to help.

There are people out there who specialize in this. Knowing the age of your friend, some background, and what he does now, might help in pointing at at the right direction for help. Don't reveal any personal information publicly, but if you give general information, maybe you'll get some recommendations.

Getting him to meet with someone -right now I do not think is a possibility.
He is a married 30 year old with children. The only reason why he still acts and dresses Jewish is in order not to lose his family and friends.
I'm sure there are some great books which even if it might not fully convince him he'll at least see there is another side besides all the garbage he is currently reading.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #144 on: June 26, 2017, 07:08:39 PM »
Getting him to meet with someone -right now I do not think is a possibility.
He is a married 30 year old with children. The only reason why he still acts and dresses Jewish is in order not to lose his family and friends.
I'm sure there are some great books which even if it might not fully convince him he'll at least see there is another side besides all the garbage he is currently reading.

You'll have know what he's reading now to know which books will properly address them.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #145 on: June 26, 2017, 07:10:04 PM »
+1. are you talking about a teenager,  adult?  chassidic? yeshiva background?  MY etc....
Chasidish adult with family
Unfortunately this isn't so uncommon. Lots of people are missing the basic foundations of Judaism....

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #146 on: June 26, 2017, 07:11:31 PM »
Getting him to meet with someone -right now I do not think is a possibility.
He is a married 30 year old with children. The only reason why he still acts and dresses Jewish is in order not to lose his family and friends.
I'm sure there are some great books which even if it might not fully convince him he'll at least see there is another side besides all the garbage he is currently reading.
Well, you might be the person to speak with him initially. You might just need some guidance from an expert.
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #147 on: June 26, 2017, 07:12:01 PM »
Getting him to meet with someone -right now I do not think is a possibility.
He is a married 30 year old with children. The only reason why he still acts and dresses Jewish is in order not to lose his family and friends.
I'm sure there are some great books which even if it might not fully convince him he'll at least see there is another side besides all the garbage he is currently reading.
How about getting someone to meet with him.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #148 on: June 26, 2017, 07:12:29 PM »
+100000000
There are some great people who help those in these situations and do a great job of it. It is rarely the intellectual questions that are the root cause.
If you ask me it's the unitellect. No other religion or belief has such strong solid foundations as yiddishkeit. Unfortunately I do not think today's schools teach it enough

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #149 on: June 26, 2017, 07:15:14 PM »
Send him to Keiravtuni...