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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #150 on: June 26, 2017, 07:15:43 PM »
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #151 on: June 26, 2017, 07:19:30 PM »
How

Obviously, only if he's still willing to listen.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #152 on: June 26, 2017, 07:22:16 PM »
Obviously, only if he's still willing to listen.

Getting him to meet with someone -right now I do not think is a possibility.
He is a married 30 year old with children. The only reason why he still acts and dresses Jewish is in order not to lose his family and friends.
I'm sure there are some great books which even if it might not fully convince him he'll at least see there is another side besides all the garbage he is currently reading.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #153 on: June 26, 2017, 07:34:44 PM »
Imho, at this point just be there for him as a friend. You're not going to prove anything to him regardless of the strength of your argument. I'm willing to bet that less than 5% of bal teshuvahs (both ffb and not) made their life changes based purely on being proven that yidiahkiet is legitimate.
If you are a true friend to him and are there for him regardless of his level of observance, you'll have plenty of opportunities to be mikariv him over time.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #154 on: June 26, 2017, 07:34:55 PM »
With all the kiruv chabad does, don't they have any books on the 13 ani mamins or the likes?

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #155 on: June 26, 2017, 07:47:58 PM »
Imho, at this point just be there for him as a friend. You're not going to prove anything to him regardless of the strength of your argument. I'm willing to bet that less than 5% of bal teshuvahs (both ffb and not) made their life changes based purely on being proven that yidiahkiet is legitimate.
If you are a true friend to him and are there for him regardless of his level of observance, you'll have plenty of opportunities to be mikariv him over time.
Should I just sit back and watch him drown? Was walking home with him in Shabbos and got home nauseous from all the garbage he told me. What did my listening help....

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #156 on: June 26, 2017, 07:52:40 PM »
Should I just sit back and watch him drown? Was walking home with him in Shabbos and got home nauseous from all the garbage he told me. What did my listening help....
Do you have time?

Can you offer to learn as a chavrusa with him twice a week? Over the phone?

You can ask a rabbi that knows him what sefer is best to learn.

He might be interested..

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #157 on: June 26, 2017, 07:53:00 PM »
If you ask me it's the unitellect. No other religion or belief has such strong solid foundations as yiddishkeit. Unfortunately I do not think today's schools teach it enough
This is very true unfortunately..

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #158 on: June 26, 2017, 08:27:25 PM »
With all the kiruv chabad does, don't they have any books on the 13 ani mamins or the likes?
Start here. I'm deliberately linking to a ביאור by someone who you (I personally try to avoid labels, and use it here as I think that is the label most would use) wouldn't consider a Lubavitcher. I don't suggest you send this, but rather learn it well yourself. You will be much better equipped to help your friend.

Chasidish adult with family
Unfortunately this isn't so uncommon. Lots of people are missing the basic foundations of Judaism....

A couple of years ago I remember seeing some publication from Boro-Park that told a story of someone who went OTD, and then later was niskarev. When asked מעיקרא מאי קסבר ולבסוף מאי קסבר, he responded something along the lines of די אידשקייט וואס איך האב געטראפן האב איך קיינמאל ניט אפגעלאזט.
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #159 on: June 26, 2017, 08:42:31 PM »
Should I just sit back and watch him drown? Was walking home with him in Shabbos and got home nauseous from all the garbage he told me. What did my listening help....
You think you or anyone else is going to get him to come back in a day? The last thing he needs right now is for you to sit there and argue with him ad infinitum and make him feel like you no longer care to be with him. Imagine the alienation that he's feeling right now, he's basically living a lie for the sake of his children. The best thing you can do right now is provide a listening ear and a comforting shoulder, respectfully disagree with what he says but arguing until you're both blue in the face gets neither of you anywhere. There isn't some magic thing you can say or one book he can read that will change his mind right now, it's a process. The best thing you can do right now is to make sure he, as a person, isn't completely alienated and made to feel illegitimate or worthless, that's what pushes people past the point of no return.
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #160 on: June 26, 2017, 08:49:47 PM »
With all the kiruv chabad does, don't they have any books on the 13 ani mamins or the likes?
that's not what he needs
Should I just sit back and watch him drown? Was walking home with him in Shabbos and got home nauseous from all the garbage he told me. What did my listening help....
it's doing a lot more than you realize...

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A couple of years ago I remember seeing some publication from Boro-Park that told a story of someone who went OTD, and then later was niskarev through Lubavitch. When asked מעיקרא מאי קסבר ולבסוף מאי קסבר, he responded something along the lines of די אידשקייט וואס איך האב געטראפן האב איך קיינמאל ניט אפגעלאזט.

please please just stop...

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #161 on: June 26, 2017, 08:51:52 PM »
Quote from: elit
please please just stop...
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He obviously believes very strongly in it. Sort of reinforces his point.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #162 on: June 26, 2017, 08:54:34 PM »
that's not what he needsit's doing a lot more than you realize...

please please just stop...
The point is the same with or without lubavitch in there
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #163 on: June 26, 2017, 09:27:46 PM »
The point is the same with or without lubavitch in there
Indeed.

I just fixed my post to remove the reference.
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #164 on: June 26, 2017, 09:30:08 PM »
Indeed.

I just fixed my post to remove the reference.
that was not even directed at you. Lubavitch most definitely has the right to tout a success case.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.