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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #165 on: June 26, 2017, 09:41:14 PM »
that was not even directed at you. Lubavitch most definitely has the right to tout a success case.
Didn't try to claim anything, just quoted the story as I recalled it, but since the reference to Lubavitch is TOTALLY irrelevant to the point I was trying to bring across, and since some people find it distasteful, I removed it.
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #166 on: June 26, 2017, 09:42:33 PM »
that's rabbi mechanics classic line
...followed up by, "So you're not an atheist, you're an ignoramus!"

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #167 on: June 26, 2017, 10:14:19 PM »
...followed up by, "So you're not an atheist, you're an ignoramus!"
Good luck making any inroads after putting someone down like that.
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #168 on: June 26, 2017, 11:51:40 PM »
Should I just sit back and watch him drown? Was walking home with him in Shabbos and got home nauseous from all the garbage he told me. What did my listening help....
What kind of 'garbage' exactly?
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #169 on: June 27, 2017, 12:56:20 AM »
Good luck making any inroads after putting someone down like that.
+1 Everyone says that he's successful but I really don't understand how. After hearing him speak twice I didn't hear any substance from him. It could be he just doesn't say what he really tells people but I don't get how he actually brings anyone who is really off, back.
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #170 on: June 27, 2017, 08:39:17 AM »
...followed up by, "So you're not an atheist, you're an ignoramus!"

That line is awesome and effective on those that are frum - not those that are OTD.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #171 on: June 27, 2017, 10:41:16 AM »
+1 Everyone says that he's successful but I really don't understand how. After hearing him speak twice I didn't hear any substance from him. It could be he just doesn't say what he really tells people but I don't get how he actually brings anyone who is really off, back.

Same thing with AISH.  They all work for people who are wanting to be there or become frum, not for someone who is already questioning. 

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #172 on: June 27, 2017, 10:45:24 AM »

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #173 on: June 27, 2017, 10:55:20 AM »
That line is awesome and effective on those that are frum - not those that are OTD.
I can't imagine he says it that way to those that are OTD
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #175 on: June 27, 2017, 12:18:27 PM »

When people find an inspirational quote and slap it on a rebbe picture

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #176 on: June 27, 2017, 01:19:20 PM »
give him a shier from mizrachi or fanger it could help

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #177 on: June 27, 2017, 01:25:07 PM »
Didn't try to claim anything, just quoted the story as I recalled it, but since the reference to Lubavitch is TOTALLY irrelevant to the point I was trying to bring across, and since some people find it distasteful, I removed it.
I apologize for my quick statement yesterday that came across very harshly and I also admire your response...
Good luck making any inroads after putting someone down like that.
+100 but I assume it's just showmanship for his frum audiences

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #178 on: June 27, 2017, 02:01:39 PM »
+100 but I assume it's just showmanship for his frum audiences
I honestly don't know who is being discussed here. I was just making a statement based on observation and reading.

I buy for my DW the Israeli Mishpacha and Sha'a Tova magazines every week. While I don't find much value in them, the exception to that is the weekly column in the Sha'a Tova magazine of Rabbi Asher Yechiel Kasel who runs an educational facility for teenagers that went (or are in the process of going) OTD. I find that there's a lot to be learned from his writings (and obviously from his experience). I am unaware of any book that he wrote, nor of anything in English from him. I did find the following link to some of his articles, which I highly recommend: http://www.yahadoot.net/category.asp?cid=27

I think we will all do better for ourselves, our children, and our communities, if we would approach everyone (including ourselves) as someone who we would like to be mekarev out of pure אהבת ישראל. We will all benefit from a much richer Yiddishkeit experience, and much better interpersonal relationships.

Obviously the case in question under the current discussion is very different, as it involves a more mature (as far as the calendar is concerned) individual who already has a family of his own. I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but some of the advice given above of just listening to the individual in question sounds right to me. It would obviously be best to be guided by an expert (and a LOR who specializes in the fifth part of Shuchan Oruch).

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #179 on: June 27, 2017, 02:03:45 PM »
...my quick statement yesterday that came across very harshly
I must have needed it. http://chabadlibrary.org/books/default.aspx?furl=/admur/hymym/8/12
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