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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #180 on: June 27, 2017, 05:41:03 PM »
A close friend of mine is r"l slipping down very bad. Right now he is at the stage where r"l he doesn't believe in "Torah min hashamyim", "am hanivchar", etc. can anyone recommend any solid good books on these topics which I can send him to read?
Wasn't sure where to post this. Couldn't find anything on this topic. If there is a already a thread on this topic please direct me

As others have said, just be there for him as a friend.  IME, the vast majority of people who start questioning a deeply-held faith only do so when something in their life isn't going well: personally, financially, etc.  It leads to questions that they often feel are better than the answers.

So help him out with whatever these issues are, be a friend, confidante, etc., and don't be overly judgmental because that certainly won't help.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #181 on: June 27, 2017, 06:02:09 PM »
Should I just sit back and watch him drown? Was walking home with him in Shabbos and got home nauseous from all the garbage he told me. What did my listening help....

You seem to think that he may be receptive to books which address his issues.  Many here seem to doubt that is the case, but they haven't spoken to him, you have.  If you post some of the garbage he told you, someone may be able to recommend a book which addresses that particular garbage.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #182 on: June 27, 2017, 06:27:23 PM »
You seem to think that he may be receptive to books which address his issues.  Many here seem to doubt that is the case, but they haven't spoken to him, you have.  If you post some of the garbage he told you, someone may be able to recommend a book which addresses that particular garbage.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #183 on: June 27, 2017, 06:37:02 PM »
You seem to think that he may be receptive to books which address his issues.  Many here seem to doubt that is the case, but they haven't spoken to him, you have.  If you post some of the garbage he told you, someone may be able to recommend a book which addresses that particular garbage.
I thought I did list the issues but if not let's start with "Torah Min Hashmayim"

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #184 on: June 27, 2017, 07:20:06 PM »
I thought I did list the issues but if not let's start with "Torah Min Hashmayim"
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Though believing in Torah Min Hashamayim requires one to first believe in Hashem.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #185 on: June 27, 2017, 08:03:39 PM »
I thought I did list the issues but if not let's start with "Torah Min Hashmayim"
Hard to believe that a ffb really has this issue as a root cause of the problem.

Is he eating traif?

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #186 on: June 27, 2017, 08:04:16 PM »
Hard to believe that a ffb really has this issue as a root cause of the problem.

Is he eating traif?
cholov stam
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #187 on: June 27, 2017, 08:09:59 PM »

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #188 on: June 27, 2017, 08:17:55 PM »
cholov stam
IINM that could bring about sfeikos in emunah. Though I don't think this is a matter to joke about, I think cbc was asking a serious question in order to find out how far this individual has fallen.
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #189 on: June 27, 2017, 08:24:56 PM »
If the root cause is Taiva, then how will a book or intellectual conversation help?

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #190 on: June 27, 2017, 08:37:52 PM »
IINM that could bring about sfeikos in emunah. Though I don't think this is a matter to joke about, I think cbc was asking a serious question in order to find out how far this individual has fallen.
Yes, eating non kosher food is directly related to losing the taste for yidishkeit and emuna in torah min hashamayim absorbed by virtually all ffbs..

Question is how to deal with it? 

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #191 on: June 27, 2017, 08:41:18 PM »
If the root cause is Taiva, then how will a book or intellectual conversation help?
+1 so true.

A spiritual boost is required to counter the pull of the geshem. Question is what kind of spiritual boost is appropriate.

ExG might tell you it's a bottle of cheap vodka and a fabregin... ;)

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #192 on: June 27, 2017, 08:44:18 PM »
+1 so true.

A spiritual boost is required to counter the pull of the geshem. Question is what kind of spiritual boost is appropriate.

ExG might tell you it's a bottle of cheap vodka and a fabregin... ;)

...and he may be correct.

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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #193 on: June 27, 2017, 09:12:40 PM »
+1 so true.

A spiritual boost is required to counter the pull of the geshem. Question is what kind of spiritual boost is appropriate.

ExG might tell you it's a bottle of cheap vodka and a fabregin... ;)
I take that as a personal insult! Cheap Vodka is unacceptable!

As for the spiritual boost, I really think that learning with a good chavrusa or Rabbi that will listen and validate has the best potential. There are also some experiences that can help, but those aren't something one might be able to schedule as easily as just learning Torah.
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Re: Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos
« Reply #194 on: June 27, 2017, 09:15:12 PM »
I take that as a personal insult! Cheap Vodka is unacceptable!

As for the spiritual boost, I really think that learning with a good chavrusa or Rabbi that will listen and validate has the best potential. There are also some experiences that can help, but those aren't something one might be able to schedule as easily as just learning Torah.
And the Vodka and fabrengin/kumzitz/BBQ/Whatever other smiley event are tools to get them to come.
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.