Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos

[sky121]

Agreed. They have a very bad name in E'Y, I'v seen it myself.

I think a lot if it has to do with not exactly fitting in. Plus Israel is very black and white and a lot of Americans are more open minded but there's not a lot of room for that in Israel.  We have that problem in America. In Israel it's 100 times harder. No room to be grey.

[Lamdan]

If 10% is hurt it's a problem. If it's 50%, the 'frum' community is not really religious and we live in a fake.

We're talking about kids, not the adult community.

[DrDanny]

If 10% is hurt it's a problem. If it's 50%, the 'frum' community is not really religious and we live in a fake.

+1 IMHO the root of this problem is these girls don't really have a hergesh for yiddishkite its become subject where you study for tests and not so much think about emunah and bitachon

[sky121]

+1 IMHO the root of this problem is these girls don't really have a hergesh for yiddishkite its become subject where you study for tests and not so much think about emunah and bitachon

I agree that we should figure out WHY this is happening.  I think it comes from a lack of self esteem. And a definite lack of connection to yiddeshkeit. The texting isn't really the problem.  There are plenty of girls who don't text on shabbos who are just as empty inside.

Lately it seems to me these girls are empty and void of a lot of things.  Self esteem.  Passion...for anything meaningful frum or not. Etc.

[springles]

If 10% is hurt it's a problem. If it's 50%, the 'frum' community is not really religious and we live in a fake.

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Like it was already said we are talking about numbers in the frum teens, not overall frum communities.  I dont really agree with the comment that the community is fake even if it was 50% of the whole but we would be in real trouble. 

Either way, maybe you see a difference between 10 and 50% but the numbers really being discussed were between 10% and 35% and my whole point is that you cant really get an accurate number so why argue about it.  The end of the day is that this is a real issue that is affecting a "significant" number of the youth in frum communities.

[sky121]

FYI. Its not just teens. It's 20 year olds. 25 year olds. +

[shmuelb]

It is geferlach whenever/wherever/whoever. It is a pritzas geder, a chink in the armor. If someones does text on Shabbos Chv"Sh, they are also letting others know, the recipients, and it a major chillul Hashem, pirsum hachet, it makes a chabura b'aveira. Busha

As was mentioned, it is IMHO2 a symptom, not the problem, which would be a lack of strong yiddish values.

It should be easy to check up your kids cell, 

[Dan]

FYI. Its not just teens. It's 20 year olds. 25 year olds. +

Of which circles exactly?

[mechayamom]

Unfortunately, this is a problem that crosses communities, types of Yiddin and countries.  It is not only the girls who are doing the texting.  And texting is just the tip of the iceberg.

It's a whole different discussion of why are teenagers today disillusioned with Yiddishkeit and falling off the "D" at an alarming rate.

And what can we do to help this situation?  How do we inspire today's teens?

[PlatinumGuy]

FYI. Its not just teens. It's 20 year olds. 25 year olds. +

+1 even 40+

I just don't think the statistics are like those.

[sky121]

Of which circles exactly?

I know a couple yeshivish and modern yeshivish. A few married. Most of them not.

[jj1000]

I think in Chabad guys would do this with more conviction. If they are going to text on shabbos they will also break shabbos any other way. Albeit they may do it in private so not to be picked on by hanhala. Teens going off truly is a problem across all communities.

[meshugener]

i think anyone out of high school for any amount of significant time is prob out of touch with whats going on

+1000
I rate this post at the top of this entire thread.
Guys, have you been lately in a yeshiva or school as a teen? Anyone here? I believe the answer is (based on the discussion here) no.

[jj1000]

+1000
I rate this post at the top of this entire thread.
Guys, have you been lately in a yeshiva or school as a teen? Anyone here? I believe the answer is (based on the discussion here) no.

I'm very in touch with Chabad high schools. Can't speak for anyone else though.

[sky121]

I'm mostly knowledgeable about Bais Yaakov high schools.

I agree that we don't know. We're not in touch like someone IN high school. Things tend to be worse than I think and I am constantly finding out things that surprise me even though in a certain sense nothing does anymore.

[Dan]

I know a couple yeshivish and modern yeshivish. A few married. Most of them not.

Scary, can't say that I've ever seen or even heard of anything like that around me but I guess I live in a bubble?

[meshugener]

@jj
Did  you encounter a victim of footsteps.org?

[sky121]

Scary, can't say that I've ever seen anything like that around me but I guess I live in a bubble?

It could be the percentage is small. But it IS happening.

[PlatinumGuy]

Scary, can't say that I've ever seen or even heard of anything like that around me but I guess I live in a bubble?

Without being in a different time zone it's very hard to tell, as they know not to text to you. How exactly they establish who is in the "shabbos" list, I don't know.

[jj1000]

@jj
Did  you encounter a victim of footsteps.org?

I haven't. A lot of Chabad teens/early 20's that go off adjust very easily because they grew up in a very open environment. Footsteps "helps" Polish chasidim much more to my knowledge.

Eta- I could tell you one thing for sure lubavitch girls don't need any lessons on how to dress.