Percentage Of Kids Texting On Shabbos

[sky121]

I know 6 girls and 3 guys. And I know they text other acquaintances I know but I don't know who.



And I know plenty of stories from people who have friends or roommates in yeshiva or whatever it is. But obviously that's already second hand.

[sky121]

I know 6 girls and 3 guys. And I know they text other acquaintances I know but I don't know who.

Maybe that doesn't seem like "a lot" but it feels like a whole lot whenever I find out.

And I know plenty of stories from people who have friends or roommates in yeshiva or whatever it is. But obviously that's already second hand.

[springles]

+1.

I still believe this problem is very marginal, at least amongst adults.

I agree that amongst adults it doesnt happen at a high number (I wouldnt use the word marginal though).
But the kids of today are the adults of tomorrow and while some may stop as they mature, some will not

[sky121]

I agree that amongst adults it doesnt happen at a high number (I wouldnt use the word marginal though).
But the kids of today are the adults of tomorrow and while some may stop as they mature, some will not

Even if they do stop it has to be for the right intent.  I have one friend who feels bad and knows its wrong and then another who could care less really.
If they both stopped tomorrow just because they matured and grew out of it I'd still be pretty concerned with the girl who just doesn't do it because it's not done.

       

[HelpMe]

Is it possible that these kids being from a different generation believe what they are doing is not wrong?

[Ergel]

Is it possible that these kids being from a different generation believe what they are doing is not wrong?

Some. But most I think know it's wrong but don't care because they don't really believe inn God, push comes to shove

[sky121]

Some. But most I think know it's wrong but don't care because they don't really believe inn God, push comes to shove

Believing in G-d isn't 100% or nothing either.

I think the problem is many of them never even asked themselves what they believe.

[sky121]

Is it possible that these kids being from a different generation believe what they are doing is not wrong?

I'm sure some really believe that.

[meshugener]

I think the problem is many of them never even asked themselves what they believe.

+100

[jj1000]

Is it possible that these kids being from a different generation believe what they are doing is not wrong?

IMHO there are VERY few jewish kids raised in an orthodox home who go off the path of their parents because of mental or thought out convictions which they differ in. Rather they do it because of lust, desires, laziness, emotional trauma, lack of love or family etc. bottom line they do it based on emotions not a well contemplated belief.

[DrDanny]

IMHO there are VERY few jewish kids raised in an orthodox home who go off the path of their parents because of mental or thought out convictions which they differ in. Rather they do it because of lust, desires, laziness, emotional trauma, lack of love or family etc. bottom line they do it based on emotions not a well contemplated belief.

I agree with you although I'm not sure if that's what help me was saying

[sky121]

IMHO there are VERY few jewish kids raised in an orthodox home who go off the path of their parents because of mental or thought out convictions which they differ in. Rather they do it because of lust, desires, laziness, emotional trauma, lack of love or family etc. bottom line they do it based on emotions not a well contemplated belief.

Sometimes I feel like there are probably more people who ARE frum who don't even know what they believe than those who went off and are just unsure or don't know how to connect to things etc.

            The problem I feel is more pronounced today is the general not caring...about anything!

[Lamdan]

Sometimes I feel like there are probably more people who ARE frum who don't even know what they believe than those who went off and are just unsure or don't know how to connect to things etc.

            The problem I feel is more pronounced today is the general not caring...about anything!

Like a Rosh Yeshiva once told me, that the reason why there's no haskalah today is because no one cares, and no one thinks. He said there's a maalah that no one thinks bec. there's no haskala, but the chisaron is that the yiddishkeit is less strong. He said he doesn't know if the pros of a non-thinking generation outweigh the cons.

[jj1000]

I agree with you although I'm not sure if that's what help me was saying

If not I was answering a question before he got a chance to ask

Sometimes I feel like there are probably more people who ARE frum who don't even know what they believe than those who went off and are just unsure or don't know how to connect to things etc.

            The problem I feel is more pronounced today is the general not caring...about anything!

True that is inline with what i'm saying. It is just laziness like I said.

Like a Rosh Yeshiva once told me, that the reason why there's no haskalah today is because no one cares, and no one thinks. He said there's a maalah that no one thinks bec. there's no haskala, but the chisaron is that the yiddishkeit is less strong. He said he doesn't know if the pros of a non-thinking generation outweigh the cons.

I'm not in the place to argue with a rosh yeshivah but I don't see the comparison from a halachic view point. If you don't believe in hashem and know hashem then the whole foundation of your judaism is off. But that's hashkafa which i'm not a expert in everyone hashkafa so I just see it my way I suppose.

[Lamdan]

.  I'm not in the place to argue with a rosh yeshivah but I don't see the comparison from a halachic view point. If you don't believe in hashem and know hashem then the whole foundation of your judaism is off. But that's hashkafa which i'm not a expert in everyone hashkafa so I just see it my way I suppose.

What he meant was is that a percentage of yidden were maskilim, bec. it was a thinking generation, and a percentage were deep believing frum jews. Now almost no ones a maskil but almost no ones a deep believing jew.