Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?

[churnbabychurn]

Anyone understand why Shamai hazoken held that it is a chumra to put a new born baby in the succa?
Chinuch? TIA

[Moshe123]

Reminds me of one of the Rebbes put on a kappel on his baby son right after birth. He also ended up a big Rebbe.

[Ergel]

Anyone understand why Shamai hazoken held that it is a chumra to put a new born baby in the succa?
Chinuch? TIA

Katan hatzarich laimo. Not chayav in chinuch of succah

[Moshe123]

Katan hatzarich laimo. Not chayav in chinuch of succah

You misunderstood the question. He didn't ask why it's only a chumrah.

[Ergel]

You misunderstood the question. He didn't ask why it's only a chumrah.

Oh. Well then what's the question: kol hapatur midavar v'osehu nikrah hedyot?

[churnbabychurn]

Right, Why is it a chumra to have a newborn baby sleep in the succa? The baby is not chayav, neither is the parent obligated.
ETA
Unless you say that the baby is indeed mekayem mitzvos....R' Moshe holds like this. (cant remember where)Young children who keep mitzvos are actually fully performing the mitzva. -Like R chaim soloveitchik by hilchos korbon pesach (koton sehigdil bein shnei pesochim is pottur from pesach sheini, because he was yotzeh...)

[Ergel]

Right, Why is it a chumra to have a newborn baby sleep in the succa? The baby is not chayav, neither is the parent obligated.
ETA
Unless you say that the baby is indeed mekayem mitzvos....R' Moshe holds like this. (cant remember where)Young children who keep mitzvos are actually fully performing the mitzva. -Like R chaim soloveitchik by hilchos korbon pesach (koton sehigdil bein shnei pesochim is pottur from pesach sheini, because he was yotzeh...)

I assume that R' chaim doesn't apply to a tinok ben yomo.
I would guess that the chumra is somehow sleeping in a succah would be entrenched into the baby and have an effect on him spiritually/inspire his chinuch

[churnbabychurn]

I assume that R' chaim doesn't apply to a tinok ben yomo.{maybe}
I would guess that the chumra is somehow sleeping in a succah would be entrenched into the baby and have an effect on him spiritually/inspire his chinuch{Wouldn't call that a "chumra}

Coming back to me now. Interesting: R moshe proved from the fact that we are not mevatel tinokos for binyan beis hamikdosh, that they are indeed being mekayem a mitzva mideorayso, not just going through motions.
R' Aharon on the other hand, proved from "ein haolom miskayem ela al hevel pihem shel tinokos" that "torah is a cheftzeh that is mekayem the world,"- not the fulfilment of the mitzva of talmud tora, -because ketanim are only mekayem miderabonon for chinuch.

[Ergel]

I think the raayos they quote for rav chaim are the ramban by ir hanidachas that you kill tinokos sheavdu. and from gemara in beginning of hachovel that ktanim are chayav to pay back if they are chovel, lkesheyagdil midinei shamayim (plus what you already mentioned-korban pesach and I believe there is a fourth but I can't recall now)