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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1875 on: April 18, 2021, 08:03:12 AM »
Dragging this back a bit, as I forgot to respond with the source, which is quite an interesting one and goes to show the level of accountability the Torah and Chazal holds people to.

Rashis we all learned in the Parsha.


So this is truly astonishing, what looks like a classic atrocity in which שלומית בת דברי was totally innocent, yet in פרשת אמור we see chazal calling her a זונה, and even for the sanctity of klal yisrael as a whole, we can't say that they were all גדורין מעריות, there was an exception for one individual, אחת היתה ופרסמה הכתוב, and all of because her irresponsible behavior which resulted in that terrible obscenity.

My assumption always was that these two midrashim do not agree with each other
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1876 on: April 18, 2021, 11:10:33 AM »
My assumption always was that these two midrashim do not agree with each other
Well, the Midrash says that the reason why the מקלל was מגדף בשם המפורש was because he was told when he was יצא חייב בבי׳׳ד של משה רבינו that his real father was the איש מצרי whom Moshe killed בשם המפורש, that would make both stories align together so it's not midrashim mechulakim. Rashi also connects the the two stories as one, and same is clear in פירושי הרא׳׳ש וחזקוני.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1877 on: April 18, 2021, 11:24:18 AM »
Dragging this back a bit, as I forgot to respond with the source, which is quite an interesting one and goes to show the level of accountability the Torah and Chazal holds people to.

Rashis we all learned in the Parsha.

 


So this is truly astonishing, what looks like a classic atrocity in which שלומית בת דברי was totally innocent, yet in פרשת אמור we see chazal calling her a זונה, and even for the sanctity of klal yisrael as a whole, we can't say that they were all גדורין מעריות, there was an exception for one individual, אחת היתה ופרסמה הכתוב, and all of because her irresponsible behavior which resulted in that terrible obscenity.

 


Of course the perpetrator got his punishment to the fullest extent, Moshe rabbeinu killed him on the next day, ראה מה עשה לו בבית ומה עשה לו בשדה, but  שלומית בת דברי also get her share of blame and shame.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1878 on: April 18, 2021, 11:31:31 AM »
Had the mitzri not done what he had done would she still have been worthy of the zonah title?
Perhaps not, Rashi stresses לפיכך קלקלה. We have a klal בישראל מחשבה רעה אין הקב׳׳ה מצרף למעשה, and there wasn't even a מחשבה רעה on this ending. But the point stands regardless, her behavior was bad because it can result in such an ending, and indeed ended so.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1879 on: April 18, 2021, 11:34:07 AM »
Had the mitzri not done what he had done would she still have been worthy of the zonah title?

There are a few interesting sichos from the Rebbe on that. Maybe someone can send you some links.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1880 on: April 18, 2021, 11:44:29 AM »
Maxine Waters back at it again.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1881 on: April 18, 2021, 09:02:15 PM »
what are your thoughts on 13yr old Adam Toledo being shot by Chicago Police after ignoring orders to drop the gun he was holding?
Didn't he drop/toss the gun before he turned around with his hands up?
My thoughts are some police like must of the general public should not be trusted with a gun.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1882 on: April 18, 2021, 09:03:30 PM »
Maxine Waters back at it again.
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1883 on: April 19, 2021, 01:07:32 AM »
Didn't he drop/toss the gun before he turned around with his hands up?

FWIU, he dropped it less than a second before the officer shot, and in a way that it was impossible for the officer to see if he was still holding it as he lifted his arm.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1884 on: April 19, 2021, 05:19:40 AM »
FWIU, he dropped it less than a second before the officer shot, and in a way that it was impossible for the officer to see if he was still holding it as he lifted his arm.
So the answer to my question is yes, TY!
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1885 on: April 19, 2021, 08:52:15 AM »
Ignore the wacko!
How do we know when to ignore and when to cancel someone? Please enlighten us

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1886 on: April 19, 2021, 09:02:16 AM »
How do we know when to ignore and when to cancel someone? Please enlighten us
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1887 on: April 19, 2021, 05:55:06 PM »
Ignore the wacko!
That “wacko” happens to be a Congresswomen that chairs a powerful committee who continually incites violence.

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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
« Reply #1888 on: April 19, 2021, 06:01:01 PM »
That “wacko” happens to be a Congresswomen that chairs a powerful committee who continually incites violence.
Does she have a following?
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