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[JMHO]

I never knew nor cared to find out why it was showing that, but that might have been it.

No need to explain. We can still be friends and I don't judge!

[Yehuda57]

OK, story time.

One Motzei Shabbos I get a message from someone I vaguely know. "Moishie, I just wanted to let you know that whatever you decide, we will still be friends. I don't judge other people."

I read it once, twice, a bunch of times... what the hell are you talking about?

In response he sends me a screenshot of my whatsapp profile page, where it says "Last seen Saturday 6:02AM".

Turns out he's trying to tell me that just because I decided not to keep Shabbos anymore, he won't break off our friendship since he doesn't judge people.

I responded that I'm not going to demean myself to him and try to explain that no, I actually still am shomer Shabbos, and there must be some sort of technical explanation, and on and on and on.

But 6 in the morning on a Shabbos??? Just..... no.

That had to be hurtful for you. It's one thing to be judged for breaking Shabbos, it's quite another to be judged to be so stupid as to publicize your "last seen" if you're breaking Shabbos.

And also, WhatsApp? What use is there breaking shabbos to use whatsapp when the only Americans using whatsapp are frum Jews?

[Something Fishy]

No need to explain. We can still be friends and I don't judge!

You're laughing, but it was actually a DDFer 🙈

That had to be hurtful for you. It's one thing to be judged for breaking Shabbos, it's quite another to be judged to be so stupid as to publicize your "last seen" if you're breaking Shabbos.

I thought I would be, but I really wasn't. I saw that the guy is clearly a moron so it was more of a funny story than anything else.

And also, WhatsApp? What use is there breaking shabbos to use whatsapp when the only Americans using whatsapp are frum Jews?

Whaddya mean, I could be among the first to see Shavua Tov statuses posted by Israelis!

[AsherO]

but it was actually a DDFer 🙈

I saw that the guy is clearly a moron

I take it back, we’re not friends anymore

[CountValentine]

Biden talked about being blinded by rage as many were after 9/11.
If you read an article or watch a news cast and all you see is negativity when there is also positive things, then that is being blinded by rage.
Think of it as a cancer that you don't know you have. 

[Yehuda57]

I posted the WHOLE statement. I pointed out that you and others are ignoring the first minute. Not once did I say the statement was only one minute long. I never insinuated or claimed the statement was one minute long.

Your argument is wrong. She speaks for the President. It is clear as day where the President stands on Israel and antisemitism. If you don't understand that then there is nothing I can say that will change that.

If you like please continue here: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18685.msg2758963#msg2758963

Let me put it this way.

She was asked a question on antisemitism. She responded by speaking about antisemitism and for no reason whatsoever, Islamaphobia. She then was heavily criticized for that. So she opened the conference the next day with a statement on antisemitism to make it clear that she was not ALMing Jews, and then went on to do it again.

When she made her initial statement, it was criticized on this forum. Then, when she made her clarifying statement, you posted it. When people further criticized her, you reposted it and claimed people were not acknowledging her statement against antisemitism. When people responded saying that she did THE SAME THING in her clarifying statement, you claimed we are in an echo chamber and not seeing the truth. But you have yet to explain how a statement clarifying that she cares deeply about antisemitism and was not at all ALMing Jews included a whole bit of her doing EXACTLY THAT.

I have stated repeatedly that I was grateful for Biden's speeches following the attacks. I also don't think he is an antisemite in the slightest. I do, however, think that it is an automatic reflex for the overwhelming majority of Dems to include Islamaphobia when talking about antisemitism, and thus she is unable to condemn antisemitism on its own. She has to include Islamaphobia or else she is "picking sides". It has been seen time and again. I don't have the receipts handy, because I don't save these things. But it is something I notice because it is something that bothers me. And it happens a lot.

[CountValentine]

Let me put it this way.

She was asked a question on antisemitism. She responded by speaking about antisemitism and for no reason whatsoever, Islamaphobia. She then was heavily criticized for that. So she opened the conference the next day with a statement on antisemitism to make it clear that she was not ALMing Jews, and then went on to do it again.

When she made her initial statement, it was criticized on this forum. Then, when she made her clarifying statement, you posted it. When people further criticized her, you reposted it and claimed people were not acknowledging her statement against antisemitism. When people responded saying that she did THE SAME THING in her clarifying statement, you claimed we are in an echo chamber and not seeing the truth. But you have yet to explain how a statement clarifying that she cares deeply about antisemitism and was not at all ALMing Jews included a whole bit of her doing EXACTLY THAT.

I have stated repeatedly that I was grateful for Biden's speeches following the attacks. I also don't think he is an antisemite in the slightest. I do, however, think that it is an automatic reflex for the overwhelming majority of Dems to include Islamaphobia when talking about antisemitism, and thus she is unable to condemn antisemitism on its own. She has to include Islamaphobia or else she is "picking sides". It has been seen time and again. I don't have the receipts handy, because I don't save these things. But it is something I notice because it is something that bothers me. And it happens a lot.

When members responded she did the same thing I pointed out they cherry pick that one line and ignored the first minute.

Her personal views are not what matter. She speaks for the president, and she made it clear what the president feels about antisemitism. And yes as president he must speak out about hatred toward Jews and Muslims together especially at this time.

[AsherO]

When members responded she did the same thing I pointed out they cherry pick that one line and ignored the first minute.

Her personal views are not what matter. She speaks for the president, and she made it clear what the president feels about antisemitism. And yes as president he must speak out about hatred toward Jews and Muslims together especially at this time.

Do you recall the original question? IINM it was what was the president doing about recent rise in antisemitism in the US. Her effective response: Bundling it with Islamophobia.

[Yehuda57]

When members responded she did the same thing I pointed out they cherry pick that one line and ignored the first minute.

Her personal views are not what matter. She speaks for the president, and she made it clear what the president feels about antisemitism. And yes as president he must speak out about hatred toward Jews and Muslims together especially at this time.

You keep missing the point. The question was asked about antisemitism. Not Islamaphobia. Not racism. Antisemitism. She answered by including Islamaphobia. Then to answer for ALMing Jews, SHE DID IT AGAIN.

Of course the president has to deal with all forms of racism. Just like BLM doesn't mean I don't care about all lives, but if I say ALM when someone says BLM it IS saying that black lives don't matter. When someone asks about antisemitism, answer that! Then when you clarify that you don't mean to say ALM, DON'T SAY ALM! She could have addressed those at any other time. She didn't because that is democratic policy. They cannot mention antisemitism without mentioning Islamophobia. It has been this way for years.

[AsherO]

Do you call the original question? IINM it was what was the president doing about recent rise in antisemitism in the US. Her effective response: Bundling it with Islamophobia.

I went back and listened, the question was “What is the level of concern for the potential rise in antisemitism in light of everything that’s going on in Israel?”

[CountValentine]

Do you recall the original question? IINM it was what was the president doing about recent rise in antisemitism in the US. Her effective response: Bundling it with Islamophobia.

Yes that was part one and then I posted part two. She understood the mistake with part one and that is why there was a part two.

[CountValentine]

Then to answer for ALMing Jews, SHE DID IT AGAIN.

Please stop. There are thousands of dead civilians on both sides. This is not the racist ALM white supremacist crap!!!

[Randomex]

Google this: hatikvah lyrics

[Yehuda57]

Please stop. There are thousands of dead civilians on both sides. This is not the racist ALM white supremacist crap!!!

The question was about antsemitism in America, not the attacks in Israel.

It is EXTREMELY clear that I am using ALM to explain the phenomenon of belittling a cause, not to accuse anyone of being a white supremacist. I get that you have not appreciated the reactions of many here to Biden's response to the attacks, but ironically, you are having extreme tunnel vision here and conflating the reaction to her comments here with the reaction to Biden's other statements. They are not connected.

Yes that was part one and then I posted part two. She understood the mistake with part one and that is why there was a part two.

...and part two went on to make EXACTLY THE SAME MISTAKE. I am confused why you refuse to acknowledge this. There is a serious blind spot here on your part. She made a huge blunder in press conference one, where the bundling of Islamaphobia was weird and blatantly wrong. She tried to fix that. And you were happy she did because you wouldn't want your president's spokesperson to be so unable to respond to an easy question about antisemitism. So you shared the video. But when faced with the undisputable fact that she went on to do exactly the same thing in press conference two, you have just accused us of being in an echo chamber without acknowledging that fact.

But more, I gave you a history, I told you that this is nothing new, and you have yet to make a single comment about that history, neither to deny it, agree with it, or show why it isn't relevant here.

Anyway, I don't think we're going to change each other's minds here, so I'll be done with this. I'll just say that as much as many here are in an echo chamber and can stubbornly refuse to see other viewpoints, perhaps that applies to you as well on occasion.

[CountValentine]

It is EXTREMELY clear that I am using ALM to explain the phenomenon of belittling a cause, not to accuse anyone of being a white supremacist.

STOP!!! It has no place in this conversation.
You have thousands dead civilians on both sides.
ETA: ...and if you want to talk about the US you have a Muslim Mother and child brutally stabbed with the child being murdered.

[Dan]

STOP!!! It has no place in this conversation.
You have thousands dead civilians on both sides.
ETA: ...and if you want to talk about the US you have a Muslim Mother and child brutally stabbed with the child being murdered.

And that's very tragic, but what does that have to do with the rise in anti-semitism?
These are 2 separate issues.

[Yehuda57]

STOP!!! It has no place in this conversation.
You have thousands dead civilians on both sides.
ETA: ...and if you want to talk about the US you have a Muslim Mother and child brutally stabbed with the child being murdered.

Wow. You are reacting with such hostility to me using a commonly used phrase that describes this conversation to a tee. Not only does it have a place in this conversation, it IS the conversation.

By all means, talk about anti-Muslim hate. That family being stabbed is a horrific tragedy. Don't belittle real hate by ascribing white supremacist and racist motives where there are none.

[smurf]

What changed in the last 2 weeks?

It was explained to me how resistance can very well be code for antisemitism.
I am just pointing out ALM is no different (racism).
So, the answer to your question is yes.

you seemed pretty clear that ALM = Racism.

An example would be a post about a black man getting killed by the police and some post ALM.
From your answer I take that would be racism?

A similar example would be someone is asked a question about rising anti-Semitism and responds with concern about anti-everyoneelseisms

[smurf]

STOP!!! It has no place in this conversation.
You have thousands dead civilians on both sides.
ETA: ...and if you want to talk about the US you have a Muslim Mother and child brutally stabbed with the child being murdered.

Imagine being asked about that story and responding "We must be concerned about islamophobia and anti-Semitism"

[Randomex]

From https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/us/israel-hamas-war-hate-crimes-us/index.html:

Every one of us feels unsafe,” said Zein Rimawi, founder and member of the Islamic Society of Bay Ridge in south Brooklyn, New York, where three young men were attacked by a small pro-Israel cadre only days after the war started. “It’s worse than after 9/11.”
[...]
Ahmed Rehab, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Chicago office, said his office typically sees four to six complaints a week from people who say they’ve been victimized or bullied. Since the start of the war just over two weeks ago, they have received 86 complaints.
[...]
Sikh men grow long beards and wear turbans as a commitment to their faith, and many Americans mistake them for Muslims. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, the Sikh Coalition advocacy group documented more than 300 cases of violence and discrimination.

Singh has had his own experiences with discrimination. A week ago, he was leaving Gracie Mansion after a meeting with Mayor Eric Adams when a group of teens saw him wearing his turban and shouted, “Hamas.”
(End quotes.)

Plenty of space in the article is given to anti-Jewish incidents, both specific incidents and overall
levels of reporting. But the same current situation is leading to bias incidents against both groups,
which makes statements that relate to both sides more acceptable to me in this context.
They don't leave you open to allegations about ignoring or favoring either group.