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[wayfe]

As a feminist, I'm still waiting for a male BC pill to be developed. Eliminates all problems!

[churnbabychurn]

Rav Schachter of YU (@CBC, it probably doesn't have the status of Torah for you so you could probably read it in the bathroom) wrote a long article on the topic a long time ago (mid' 80s). It is very interesting and discusses many of the main issues

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://download.yutorah.org/1982/1053/735664.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjS1Lu2jfbJAhXIGB4KHfynCfwQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNFKlDkxTei-cvuUUISfNX63dEkGow&sig2=r3OsyyBW1csQsKKskf_86A

Wow! I listen to a bunch of yu series all the time.
I'm currently in the middle of R Willigs crash course on siddur kiddushin!

Yes, I believe that the main yu hashkafas and outlooks are incorrect. But there are definitely some valid real talmiday chachomim there. R Shachter is one of the big ones.


And BTW, R Willig has a great couple of shiurim on BC that I listened to years ago.
If anyone is really interested in the halachic data on this its worth looking up. It's on yutorah.org


I'm more open minded then you thought, eh?

[Baruch]

The chasideshe circles rabbanim will allow as well.
My question is if according to halacha your go to go.  You have a boy and a girl. Why do you need to ask?

Boy and girl is a פטור from פרו ורבו, there's still a mitzva of ולערב אל תנח ידיך. This stuff is open Shulchan Aruchs.

[churnbabychurn]

Boy and girl is a פטור from פרו ורבו, there's still a mitzva of ולערב אל תנח ידיך. This stuff is open Shulchan Aruchs.

All quoted in this very thread

[Baruch]

Maybe the OP's gone off the deep end; or maybe he's trying to bring out a point. Maybe both. Sometimes the best way to answer a question is with a question. Oy, where's CM when we need him?

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[Ergel]

Rav Schachter, on page 20 in the above quoted article, quotes a birkei yosef that it's mutar to postpone laerev all teinach yadecha

[aygart]

Sorry you are stepping right into a huge pet peeve of mine... if getting nachas from ones children is factoring into the equation at all than maybe that person should be on birth control. ..

I have a friend whose father had a heart issue at a young age with one child and the doctors told him that the stress of having more children is unhealthy for him. He asked R Moshe who told him "kinder bregen nisht daagos kinder bregen nachas" and told him to ignore the doctors.

[meshugener]

My point is, that it may be easier to have less children. You may have a more affluent lifestyle, and comfortable life.
But when you look back after all the hard work - was it worth it?

That's the best way to make big decisions in life - in the end, when I look back, will I regret it? Or, will I be glad I made the decisions I did.

I am talking about your life. Each child is an infinite Bracha.

Obviously if someone really can't mange, they will look back and regret the decision of having so many kids. Because their life was disfunctional.

But someone who drove in a messy 2002 Grand Caravan with his 8 kids, rather than a 2016 Odyssey with his 5 kids. And went on less vacations, and had more sleepless nights, and cleaned more diapers, and broke up more fights, and struggled a bit to make ends meet - will he regret having those 3 extra kids after their married?

Ask yourself that question.

If the answer is you'll regret it, speak to your LOR about the Halacha.

If the answer is you'll be happy that you have 3 more precious children (and grandchildren)...........

You know what, you have a very valid point. I agree with you.

Again, I'd still advocate for more leniency granting BC permissions which some make it sound like it's the end of the world. But you do have a very good perspective on life.

[aygart]

@CBC is making a great point.
@ilherman, where's the Rav Moshe? And are you sure he's addressing issue A? It really wouldn't make any sense.

my guess is EH1 end of 63

[churnbabychurn]

Rav Schachter, on page 20 in the above quoted article, quotes a birkei yosef that it's mutar to postpone laerev all teinach yadecha

Yes it's brought down in pischay teshuva 1:1 to answer the stiras harambam.

But the shiur is unclear. He definitely doesn't mean years and years.

I didn't read your link yet

[Ergel]

Just to play the other side, haven't we all seen families where children are (emotionally) neglected just by the sheer fact that parents don't have enough time for all of them?

[Ergel]

Yes it's brought down in pischay teshuva 1:1 to answer the stiras harambam.

But the shiur is unclear. He definitely doesn't mean years and years.

I didn't read your link yet

Correct. I guess it would be important to clarify are we talking about any birth control? Or a year or two for spacing? Or more than that?

[churnbabychurn]

Just to play the other side, haven't we all seen families where children are (emotionally) neglected just by the sheer fact that parents don't have enough time for all of them?

Yes. But interestingly enough I have not seen this sevarah used by the poskim. Maybe it's a no brainer.?


In hilchos Peru urevu it is a chiyuv even if you think the kids will go otd. (Saw somewhere)

[Ergel]

Clearly from yechezkel

[aygart]

[Hershelsdeals]

Clearly from yechezkel

Chizkiyahu

[meshugener]

I have a friend whose father had a heart issue at a young age with one child and the doctors told him that the stress of having more children is unhealthy for him. He asked R Moshe who told him "kinder bregen nisht daagos kinder bregen nachas" and told him to ignore the doctors.

Do you know that according to standard operating procedure of the internet, you're required to provide a source to what you're saying.

[Chapshnell]

I just don't get it.

I'll actually answer your question.
There is nothing wrong with it. Some people find themselves using it sooner, some find themselves using it later.

Being that it is a very personal topic you wont see many people argue pro their position & thoughts on their personal lives. Most people will not discuss this in a public forum..
Those who do are usually the machmirim & kinoim who are open with their frumkeit & have nothing to lose so to speak.

Everyone knows children are a beautiful thing & our future but once some people have a boy & a girl the drive & push to have more children IMO diminishes. This is an observation vs btdt.

Its easy to knock & try to show youre more frum than someone else when your sitting behind a computer screen but when it comes TOT everyone knows exactly what they need to do & when its an appropriate time & when not.

You were old enough to get married, I hope youre adult enough to make adult decisions.

[Iz]

שפתים ישק משיב דברים נכוחים

[meshugener]

Regarding issue A -

Why are women allowed to breastfeed?

And if you say it is mutar to push it off, why is it not mutar to take BC for just a year or two at a time for no reason at all?