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LMS - Last Man Standing.. Not FMS (First Man Standing) - This game is for night time only, not morning, afternoon, or evening.. NIGHT TIME ONLY!!

At night while most of the world is sleeping there are some members which are looking to socialize since they have no one else to speak to; they play a really exciting and fun game which basically every couple minutes you write a comment, the comments range from standing to sleeping, from young grasshoppers to old grasshoppers. it usually begins around 1:00 am EDT

RULES OF THE GAME:

1) Game starts at 1am Eastern, 12am Central, 11pm mountain, 10pm pacific... You get the point.
2) Anyone can call a roll call, just make a reply with "Roll Call". The roll call must be readable to the naked eye.
3) No more than one roll call every thirty minutes.
4) You have 30 minutes to respond to the roll call to stay active.
5) To respond to a roll call just post a reply with "Here" or "y y y"
6) If after one hour there are no more "Roll Calls" or "Heres", then the last person to post correctly either by calling a roll call or with a reply of "here" is declared winner of LMS.
7)You must have been awake for at least 12 hours before making or answering a RC.



OR IN SHORT:

When someone calls for a roll call. No more than one every 30 minutes and you have 30 minutes to respond "Here".


Poll

If Men Could Become Pregnant, Would You?

Yes, I love delivering babies!
Noooooo! I'm afraid....
Not sure. I'll ask my LOR

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9120 on: December 24, 2015, 11:31:47 PM »
I'll actually answer your question.
There is nothing wrong with it. Some people find themselves using it sooner, some find themselves using it later.

Being that it is a very personal topic you wont see many people argue pro their position & thoughts on their personal lives. Most people will not discuss this in a public forum..
Those who do are usually the machmirim & kinoim who are open with their frumkeit & have nothing to lose so to speak.

Everyone knows children are a beautiful thing & our future but once some people have a boy & a girl the drive & push to have more children IMO diminishes. This is an observation vs btdt.

Its easy to knock & try to show youre more frum than someone else when your sitting behind a computer screen but when it comes TOT everyone knows exactly what they need to do & when its an appropriate time & when not.

You were old enough to get married, I hope youre adult enough to make adult decisions.
Fair enough.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9121 on: December 24, 2015, 11:34:04 PM »

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9122 on: December 24, 2015, 11:35:49 PM »
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9123 on: December 24, 2015, 11:37:59 PM »
Do you know that according to standard operating procedure of the internet, you're required to provide a source to what you're saying.
I am the source. You heard it from me who heard it from a friend whose father it happened to.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9124 on: December 24, 2015, 11:38:28 PM »


Regarding issue A -

Why are women allowed to breastfeed?

And if you say it is mutar to push it off, why is it not mutar to take BC for just a year or two at a time for no reason at all?

According to the  birkay yosef l'erev is not a mitzva every day. He explains your favorite rambam this way.

How long of a break is unclear.

Re the nursing. Are you serious? Nursing is for the good of the baby. It is even ossur to Mary a nursing woman because she CV may get pregnant and stop nursing.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9125 on: December 24, 2015, 11:39:42 PM »
Regarding issue A -

Why are women allowed to breastfeed?

And if you say it is mutar to push it off, why is it not mutar to take BC for just a year or two at a time for no reason at all?
There are sources to do just that mentioned n the article from R Schachter and other places. R Moshe in tshuvos argues vehemently.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9126 on: December 24, 2015, 11:43:39 PM »

 

Re the nursing. Are you serious? Nursing is for the good of the baby. It is even ossur to Mary a nursing woman because she CV may get pregnant and stop nursing.
So in the event we find a much more nutritious drink for a baby, will that heter go away?
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9127 on: December 24, 2015, 11:45:24 PM »
So in the event we find a much more nutritious drink for a baby, will that heter go away?
You mean the issur to marry a meinekes? Consensus of poskim that it is here to stay. - Iirc

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9128 on: December 24, 2015, 11:46:14 PM »
You mean the issur to marry a meinekes? Consensus of poskim that it is here to stay. - Iirc
No, I mean the heter of breastfeeding which prevents pregnancy.
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9129 on: December 24, 2015, 11:47:18 PM »
Why is this only a secular question?
Nivul peh.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9130 on: December 24, 2015, 11:48:40 PM »
So in the event we find a much more nutritious drink for a baby, will that heter go away?

Never gonna happen
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9131 on: December 24, 2015, 11:53:05 PM »
I think someone that doesnt use language that is used in a state of anger or happiness/giddyness etc shows self control.. Youre boss on what leaves your mouth.. Once it leaves its subject to analysis :)

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9132 on: December 24, 2015, 11:54:30 PM »
No, I mean the heter of breastfeeding which prevents pregnancy.
That's not a "heter". Why would it even be ossur? There no need or mitzvah to have more than one baby at a time. That would be unnatural.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9133 on: December 24, 2015, 11:55:42 PM »
Rav Schachter, on page 20 in the above quoted article, quotes a birkei yosef that it's mutar to postpone laerev all teinach yadecha
The question was: Why even speak to a Rav after a boy and a girl?

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9134 on: December 25, 2015, 12:05:03 AM »
That's not a "heter". Why would it even be ossur?
Because you're pushing off having children for 2 years.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9135 on: December 25, 2015, 12:08:08 AM »
Because you're pushing off having children for 2 years.
According to your line of reasoning, maybe there should be a chiyuv to do IVF and have octuplets?
The answer to both questions may be, that the chiyuv is not to go beyond the natural.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9136 on: December 25, 2015, 12:08:11 AM »
@CBC is making a great point.
@ilherman, where's the Rav Moshe? And are you sure he's addressing issue A? It really wouldn't make any sense.
What is the great point?  No one is talking here about point B which is avoided even as per you by taking pills.

And you say that it wouldnt make sense what R Moshe said. How many times have you finished Daled Chelkie Shulchan Aruch?

I will explain the simple answer. There is a Mitzvah, so you're gonna say that whoever is pregnant is currently being Oiver on that Mitzvah? And whoever can't have kids is Oiver on that Mitzvah. If you can not produce kids now for whatever reason then you are not oiver. Now lets say if someone is pushing off the Mikvah with two days so his wife can't get pregnant that is as per some called Oiver on the Mitzvah. Taking pills makes you like someone who can't have kinds. Now of course Hashkafah wise there is a huge difference between someone who can not have kids and someone who takes pills. But Mesh wants to know why mix Halachah and Hashkafah. I will look for the Igrus Moshe tomorrow. And please don't reply by what your Das Bal Habayis says. If you have a Halachdig argument you're more than welcome.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9137 on: December 25, 2015, 12:12:13 AM »
What is the great point?  No one is talking here about point B which is avoided even as per you by taking pills.

And you say that it wouldnt make sense what R Moshe said. How many times have you finished Daled Chelkie Shulchan Aruch?

I will explain the simple answer. There is a Mitzvah, so you're gonna say that whoever is pregnant is currently being Oiver on that Mitzvah? And whoever can't have kids is Oiver on that Mitzvah. If you can not produce kids now for whatever reason then you are not oiver. Now lets say if someone is pushing off the Mikvah with two days so his wife can't get pregnant that is as per some called Oiver on the Mitzvah. Taking pills makes you like someone who can't have kinds. Now of course Hashkafah wise there is a huge difference between someone who can not have kids and someone who takes pills. But Mesh wants to know why mix Halachah and Hashkafah. I will look for the Igrus Moshe tomorrow. And please don't reply by what your Das Bal Habayis says. If you have a Halachdig argument you're more than welcome.
I am pretty sure r Moshe does discuss it at the location I mentioned earlier.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9138 on: December 25, 2015, 12:12:26 AM »


And you say that it wouldnt make sense what R Moshe said. How many times have you finished Daled Chelkie Shulchan Aruch?


Chas Veshalom. I was questioning your claim that Rav Moshe said that.
I wouldn't have the audacity to talk like that about Rav Moshe.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #9139 on: December 25, 2015, 12:15:28 AM »
As a feminist, I'm still waiting for a male BC pill to be developed. Eliminates all problems!
It's called having a vasectomy.