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LMS - Last Man Standing.. Not FMS (First Man Standing) - This game is for night time only, not morning, afternoon, or evening.. NIGHT TIME ONLY!!

At night while most of the world is sleeping there are some members which are looking to socialize since they have no one else to speak to; they play a really exciting and fun game which basically every couple minutes you write a comment, the comments range from standing to sleeping, from young grasshoppers to old grasshoppers. it usually begins around 1:00 am EDT

RULES OF THE GAME:

1) Game starts at 1am Eastern, 12am Central, 11pm mountain, 10pm pacific... You get the point.
2) Anyone can call a roll call, just make a reply with "Roll Call". The roll call must be readable to the naked eye.
3) No more than one roll call every thirty minutes.
4) You have 30 minutes to respond to the roll call to stay active.
5) To respond to a roll call just post a reply with "Here" or "y y y"
6) If after one hour there are no more "Roll Calls" or "Heres", then the last person to post correctly either by calling a roll call or with a reply of "here" is declared winner of LMS.
7)You must have been awake for at least 12 hours before making or answering a RC.



OR IN SHORT:

When someone calls for a roll call. No more than one every 30 minutes and you have 30 minutes to respond "Here".


Poll

If Men Could Become Pregnant, Would You?

Yes, I love delivering babies!
Noooooo! I'm afraid....
Not sure. I'll ask my LOR

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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9200 on: December 25, 2015, 02:15:59 AM »
Wow.  So the only thing stopping you from murder, rape, theft, etc., is your belief in HaShem?
If I wouldn't believe in hashem could be I would or wouldn't I don't know, but now definitely the only reason is because of hashem. R' Moshe Feinstein said this multiple times, that midis is supposed to come from the Torah, and by someone who doesn't listen to the Torah, the nicer he is the more you should be scared of him because he is governed by his wants and that why he is nice....

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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9201 on: December 25, 2015, 02:20:33 AM »
Disclaimer:  I believe there is such a thing as secular morality. 

I'm not sure how that's kefira or why it's a problem to believe some things are innately wrong or evil.  I'm not saying they preceded God or supersede Him.  And yes, I've had this conversation with my Rebbe and my Rov, neither of whom has called me a kofer.
1.What your rav said is kneged R' Moshe.
2. Are you sure that you didn't misunderstand him as this is a complicated topic.
3. Are you worth anything to your rav moniterily, and maybe that's why he didn't call you a koifer?
4. Maybe he's taking it easy on you and is being mekarev you slowly so that you will listen.

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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9202 on: December 25, 2015, 02:20:33 AM »
I think I've posted this once before, but an excellent explanation of the idea here

http://m.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/36441/jewish/How-Does-G-d-Decide-Whats-Right-and-Whats-Wrong.htm
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9203 on: December 25, 2015, 02:20:45 AM »
I think that the belief that some things are innately wrong is something that has developed over time and is now firmly embedded in our society, not tied to any religion. However, the starting source for the concept of altruism and morality was religion and the belief in higher beings and purposes.

Source?  Not sure how that's provable anyway.

And I thought you'd realize by now that your rav is a clown. How many times do we have to tell you that?

Even CBC hasn't told me that... yet.   :D

I've just explained it.

If I ask you why something is wrong we'd go round and round in circles. There's no logical reason why anything is wrong unless a Higher Being says so, or it's wrong because it's not smart and will ultimately fail you (selfish social contract)

That's just simply false.  It can be wrong for social, cultural, historical, or communal mores, or any combination thereof.  Or to quote a famous Jew:  "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death."

Ok... that last bit may be kefira.

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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9204 on: December 25, 2015, 02:21:32 AM »
1.What your rav said is kneged R' Moshe.
2. Are you sure that you didn't misunderstand him as this is a complicated topic.
3. Are you worth anything to your rav moniterily, and maybe that's why he didn't call you a koifer?
4. Maybe he's taking it easy on you and is being mekarev you slowly so that you will listen.

Probably the 4th  ;)
Maybe the 2nd.

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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9205 on: December 25, 2015, 02:24:29 AM »


Source?  Not sure how that's provable anyway.
Not provable either way, so irrelevant discussion.
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9206 on: December 25, 2015, 02:25:43 AM »

That's just simply false.  It can be wrong for social, cultural, historical, or communal mores, or any combination thereof.

Let's try it out.

Why should I not steal my friend's money?
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9207 on: December 25, 2015, 02:27:21 AM »

4. Maybe he's taking it easy on you and is being mekarev you slowly so that you will listen.
How about maybe your rav is taking it easy on you and is being mekarev you so that you listen later and cool down your  logic?
Nah, that is not possible.
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Re: What's wrong with walking around naked?
« Reply #9208 on: December 25, 2015, 02:27:41 AM »
You think that's hard to find? Anybody with the remotest interest in such things will find themselves flooded after ten seconds on the internet. That's why i think DDF has to have such a high guard up, to keep such things that are pushing so hard to get in far at bay.
Huh?

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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9209 on: December 25, 2015, 02:27:48 AM »
Let's try it out.

Why should I not steal my friend's money?
The simplest answer to that would be that for the functioning and mutual good of society, people felt it necessary to enact certain ordinances to keep life possible.
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9210 on: December 25, 2015, 02:28:32 AM »
Let's try it out.

Why should I not steal my friend's money?

Because it's wrong.  ;D

Thousands of years of communal organization created the idea of possession.  Messing with it creates instability.

ETA:  DS beat me to it.

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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9211 on: December 25, 2015, 02:31:53 AM »
This discussion isn't provable either way, so I think it's pointless. A much simpler answer apart from innate morals as to why we're better than animals is that our higher intelligence and social tendencies allowed us to develop in ways less intelligent and simpler creatures never could.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: What's wrong with walking around naked?
« Reply #9212 on: December 25, 2015, 02:32:51 AM »
Huh?
Whatever. Nothing. Better that way.
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Re: What's wrong with walking around naked?
« Reply #9213 on: December 25, 2015, 02:36:18 AM »
You think that's hard to find? Anybody with the remotest interest in such things will find themselves flooded after ten seconds on the internet. That's why i think DDF has to have such a high guard up, to keep such things that are pushing so hard to get in far at bay.
Did you Google it?
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9214 on: December 25, 2015, 02:38:05 AM »

Not provable either way, so irrelevant discussion.

History proves it. Ancient societies (civilizations, nomadic tribes...) were corrupt, perverse and lawless.

Rav Avigdor Miller goes into great detail explaining this.

Every other ancient society had a strict class structure.

It was only in Judaism that one could be judged on personal merit.


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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9215 on: December 25, 2015, 02:39:41 AM »
History proves it. Ancient societies (civilizations, nomadic tribes...) were corrupt, perverse and lawless.

Rav Avigdor Miller goes into great detail explaining this.

Every other ancient society had a strict class structure.

It was only in Judaism that one could be judged on personal merit.
Enlightenment and the power of the common man didn't come solely from religion. Religion was actually a major aspect of the serf system.
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9216 on: December 25, 2015, 02:40:11 AM »

Because it's wrong.  ;D

Thousands of years of communal organization created the idea of possession.  Messing with it creates instability.

ETA:  DS beat me to it.

What's wrong with instability? That others might come and steal yours?

That there is selfishness, not morals
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9217 on: December 25, 2015, 02:41:10 AM »
What's wrong with instability? That others might come and steal yours?

That there is selfishness, not morals
You asked why not steal, not for morals.
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9218 on: December 25, 2015, 02:41:45 AM »

Enlightenment and the power of the common man didn't come solely from religion. Religion was actually a major aspect of the serf system.

I'm sorry. I should have specified. Judaism.

Yes, other religions have been used to abuse society.
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Re: Why Not Say The F Word?
« Reply #9219 on: December 25, 2015, 02:43:03 AM »

You asked why not steal, not for morals.

Huh?

Stealing is considered an immoral act. I asked why it was wrong
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