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LMS - Last Man Standing.. Not FMS (First Man Standing) - This game is for night time only, not morning, afternoon, or evening.. NIGHT TIME ONLY!!

At night while most of the world is sleeping there are some members which are looking to socialize since they have no one else to speak to; they play a really exciting and fun game which basically every couple minutes you write a comment, the comments range from standing to sleeping, from young grasshoppers to old grasshoppers. it usually begins around 1:00 am EDT

RULES OF THE GAME:

1) Game starts at 1am Eastern, 12am Central, 11pm mountain, 10pm pacific... You get the point.
2) Anyone can call a roll call, just make a reply with "Roll Call". The roll call must be readable to the naked eye.
3) No more than one roll call every thirty minutes.
4) You have 30 minutes to respond to the roll call to stay active.
5) To respond to a roll call just post a reply with "Here" or "y y y"
6) If after one hour there are no more "Roll Calls" or "Heres", then the last person to post correctly either by calling a roll call or with a reply of "here" is declared winner of LMS.
7)You must have been awake for at least 12 hours before making or answering a RC.



OR IN SHORT:

When someone calls for a roll call. No more than one every 30 minutes and you have 30 minutes to respond "Here".


Poll

If Men Could Become Pregnant, Would You?

Yes, I love delivering babies!
Noooooo! I'm afraid....
Not sure. I'll ask my LOR

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8860 on: December 24, 2015, 04:16:37 PM »
On B. You're not getting what he is saying. He didn't meant to say that because you can't have kids its H"zl. Because then pregnancy would be a problem. Rather, some forms of BC are definitely considered H'zl. Pills don't have this problem. And meshugener does not disagree that some forms of BC are a problem. He wants to know why the forms like pills that don't have h'zl problem is prohibited.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8861 on: December 24, 2015, 04:16:50 PM »
Two issues.
A: Chiyuv pru urvu mideorayso is one boy and one girl. Miderabonon more is required.

Source?
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8862 on: December 24, 2015, 04:17:29 PM »
That's not halacha. I don't believe you can prevent people being on birth control based on this.
It's codified in shulchan oruch even haezer 1:8

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8863 on: December 24, 2015, 04:18:44 PM »
Lsheves yitzra haolem.

min haTorah.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8864 on: December 24, 2015, 04:18:49 PM »
Lsheves yitzra haolem.

Forgetting any hashchusa issues, its mivatal an asay.

Lsheves yitzra haolem.

min haTorah.

Its not a chiyuv though.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8865 on: December 24, 2015, 04:20:54 PM »
I'm not struggling with or concerned about anything.

I just want to understand it and have a serious discussion about about.

You know very well that I didn't mean fun literally. Don't try twisting my words.
Are you a journalist? Aren't you a frum jew? If so why wouldn't you be concerned about it. Let me ask you another question,  if you come to a better understanding of this topic will you have more kids? Try to be honest with yourself for once it may change your perspective on life.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8866 on: December 24, 2015, 04:21:06 PM »
and after menopause? and rest of month?
bc here youre actually doing a peula that it shouldnt work
No, my wife is - by taking pills. Is that her problem that I am mz"l?
And I am not doing any peula.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8867 on: December 24, 2015, 04:22:29 PM »
Its not a chiyuv though.
Not my understanding.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8868 on: December 24, 2015, 04:23:00 PM »
Quote
Am I required to be fruitful to the max possible?
2 or 3 is not enough?

yes.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8869 on: December 24, 2015, 04:23:18 PM »
What fun would that be?
And besides, this is just a prep for nitel, so no Torah allowed, right?

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8870 on: December 24, 2015, 04:24:08 PM »
Interesting. I thought of that too.

That's why you see the settlers in Israel have a baby more often than they change socks.
they don't own socks they wear sandals without socks  ;D

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8871 on: December 24, 2015, 04:24:27 PM »
And besides, this is just a prep for nitel, so no Torah allowed, right?
Sorry to go ot but when does nitel start and when does it end

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8872 on: December 24, 2015, 04:27:06 PM »
Are you a journalist? Aren't you a frum jew? If so why wouldn't you be concerned about it. Let me ask you another question,  if you come to a better understanding of this topic will you have more kids? Try to be honest with yourself for once it may change your perspective on life.
To answer your question one by one:

-I'm not a journalist. how is that relevant? Are you a clown?
-I'm a frum Jew. I've done a few avieros here and there, but I'm basically frum.
-I'm not concerned about it because I don't see any reason to be concerned about it. I just follow what my rav says.
-I don't see how a better understanding on this topic should make me want to have more babies. I follow what my rav says anyway.

Any other questions?
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8873 on: December 24, 2015, 04:27:21 PM »
Sorry to go ot but when does nitel start and when does it end
either shkiya to chats or 6pm-12am

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8874 on: December 24, 2015, 04:29:13 PM »
To answer your question one by one:

-I'm not a journalist. how is that relevant? Are you a clown?
-I'm a frum Jew. I've done a few avieros here and there, but I'm basically frum.
-I'm not concerned about it because I don't see any reason to be concerned about it. I just follow what my rav says.
-I don't see how a better understanding on this topic should make me want to have more babies. I follow what my rav says anyway.

Any other questions?
Now I'm curious what does your Rav have to say on the topic.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8875 on: December 24, 2015, 04:31:05 PM »
A: there are many opinions. But even if its "only" a mitzva kiyumis, (not chiyuvis), its still called "problematic".
B: there are different types. I just said that there could potentially be issues with some forms. Not that anything that can't lead to pregnancy is h'zl.
 The main issue is A.

If the issue is A, how can you tell people the CAN'T take birth control? Its not chiyuvis.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8876 on: December 24, 2015, 04:31:58 PM »
why will pills differ for meshugener?

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8877 on: December 24, 2015, 04:32:05 PM »
Now I'm curious what does your Rav have to say on the topic.
He usually rules on a one by one basis. No blanket rulings.
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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8878 on: December 24, 2015, 04:34:06 PM »
He usually rules on a one by one basis. No blanket rulings.
So it's possible that your Rav would pasken for one person to have many and another  few,  so why don't you ask him the reasoning behind it and enlighten us.

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Re: What's The Problem With Birth Control?
« Reply #8879 on: December 24, 2015, 04:34:22 PM »
Re Epstein: I don't think anyone here was actually concerned for themselves.

This is a personal issue and a LOR can answer for the individual.

Asking a Rabbi about Epstein may not get you an answer.
You really think I came to DDF asking for a heter being on BC? Are you meshuga??

All I want is discus the topic and get a better understanding of it.
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