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LMS - Last Man Standing.. Not FMS (First Man Standing) - This game is for night time only, not morning, afternoon, or evening.. NIGHT TIME ONLY!!

At night while most of the world is sleeping there are some members which are looking to socialize since they have no one else to speak to; they play a really exciting and fun game which basically every couple minutes you write a comment, the comments range from standing to sleeping, from young grasshoppers to old grasshoppers. it usually begins around 1:00 am EDT

RULES OF THE GAME:

1) Game starts at 1am Eastern, 12am Central, 11pm mountain, 10pm pacific... You get the point.
2) Anyone can call a roll call, just make a reply with "Roll Call". The roll call must be readable to the naked eye.
3) No more than one roll call every thirty minutes.
4) You have 30 minutes to respond to the roll call to stay active.
5) To respond to a roll call just post a reply with "Here" or "y y y"
6) If after one hour there are no more "Roll Calls" or "Heres", then the last person to post correctly either by calling a roll call or with a reply of "here" is declared winner of LMS.
7)You must have been awake for at least 12 hours before making or answering a RC.



OR IN SHORT:

When someone calls for a roll call. No more than one every 30 minutes and you have 30 minutes to respond "Here".


Poll

If Men Could Become Pregnant, Would You?

Yes, I love delivering babies!
Noooooo! I'm afraid....
Not sure. I'll ask my LOR

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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9820 on: March 31, 2016, 09:25:28 AM »
This thread is going wayyy too far... Needs to be deleted ASAP!

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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9821 on: March 31, 2016, 09:37:14 AM »
This thread is going wayyy too far... Needs to be deleted ASAP!
Why?
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9822 on: March 31, 2016, 09:39:14 AM »
I believe the following accurately portrays the view of mainstream halacha.

His status for brachos is male.  His status for eidus would depend on whether his actions have rendered him a rasha (an eidus-relevant definition of rasha, similar to gazlan.)


Why would you consider me to be a rasha?
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9823 on: March 31, 2016, 09:41:51 AM »
All this is a quote of a tshuvah from the tzitz eliezer, though I can't find the actual pdf for the entire tshuvah online and I'm not home to scan it... There he discusses a lot of interesting points and opinions on the matter in a very sensitive and respectful way, (and not like reb Moshe he definitely recognizes the "want" for a change of gender)


Thanks!

One of the very few informative and respectful posts.

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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9824 on: March 31, 2016, 09:45:04 AM »
At this point it looks like you need some support,
So firstly I support you, second while your in a very difficult stage (or you may have just ended a difficult stage) I hope you have the courage to get thru it, and if you are already thru then great, and I'm very happy for you. Thirdly while I or others (or anyone for that matter) may or may not agree with your decision to begin with that doesn't matter now, the decision was made and it's time to move on from that and just look forward, and to those who think what you did was wrong (whether I agree with them or not), it's time to get passed that, we've all done things against hakadosh boruch hu (this is not to justify it), but the approach I was brought up with is to always look ahead. how can I serve hashem today in the circumstance I am in today, not how I should have done it yesterday or start reflecting on if I made the right choices or not. The reason you were brought down into this world was to help (in a way only you can) make a dirah for hakadosh boruch hu in this lowest world and whether you were right or wrong, one thing is for sure you have that same chiyuv of serving hakadosh boruch hu as you did before, and that is what you should be focusing on, not on other peoples thoughts or feelings towards you, focus on your connection to your creator and why he put where you are today (not yesterday). and thru this hopefully we will all have the proper respect and never judge anyone on their past (the truth is we shouldn't be judging at all!) And we should merit to והיו לבשר אחד with the coming  of משיח speedily in our days, אמן.

Thank you very much!

But why do you think it's against hakadosh baruch hullan?
Nowhere in the Torah did I see an issur to do it.
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Re: If Men Could Become Pregnant, Would You?
« Reply #9825 on: March 31, 2016, 09:50:11 AM »
where is Mesh located these days?

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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9826 on: March 31, 2016, 09:54:51 AM »
IIRC, there's a teshuva from the tzitz eliezer about trans.

On the topic of trans, it's a shame what the left has done.
Trans is an obvious psychological disorder.
To call someone by their new gender, is like telling a schizophrenic that he truly is the messiah.
To encourage people to mutilate their bodies is plain sad.
The left is so misguided on this, their rachmanus (which I believe is sincere) is pure rishus.
This whole topic is so sad. Mentally ill people being handled so wrongly.

Your post is so disgusting that you should be ashamed of yourself.

You sound like someone living on a different planet.

Who are you to judge others and paint us as mentally ill?

You know who's mentally ill? You and others like you who think everyone who makes a different decision in life than you  has a psychological disorder!

Who do you think you are? Do you think you represent Judaism? You represent the worst of humanity!

All with a frum cover-up, you justify humiliating a fellow yida.

I can tell you that: hashem will not punish me for what I did - but you'll definitely burn in hell for what you did.

Did you get a heter to offend me? What's with that Torah that you pretend to respect so dearly? Nah, it's all trash when I get the opportunity to bash another yid.

What's your heter? Online harassment is not assur? Offending trans is exempt from the issur to be מבייש a yid?

What?
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9827 on: March 31, 2016, 09:57:48 AM »
Thank you very much!

But why do you think it's against hakadosh baruch hullan?
Nowhere in the Torah did I see an issur to do it.
I thought it was pretty clear that I'm not getting involved in if it should have been done or not, for that is not relevant at all at this point, now is time to just move on.
But once you brought it up I won't give you my opinion (we can have a personal chat on that if you'd like) rather the lubavitcher rebbes opinion (remember this was written many years ago though I do think his opinion would stay the same today.

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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9828 on: March 31, 2016, 09:59:52 AM »
Why would you consider me to be a rasha?

I don't know you to have formulated such an opinion. What I meant to say is that the status of a male who has undergone Gender Reassignment Surgery in regards to kashrus l'eidus would depend on would not depend on the gender he now identifies with but rather whether or not submitting oneself to such surgery pasels one for eidus under the clause of  אל תשת רשע עד

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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9829 on: March 31, 2016, 10:00:59 AM »
I don't know you to have formulated such an opinion. What I meant to say is that the status of a male who has undergone Gender Reassignment Surgery in regards to kashrus l'eidus would depend on would not depend on the gender he now identifies with but rather whether or not submitting oneself to such surgery pasels one for eidus under the clause of  אל תשת רשע עד
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9830 on: March 31, 2016, 10:11:39 AM »

one second, you are chasidish      Did you shave your head?

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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9831 on: March 31, 2016, 10:22:21 AM »
But why do you think it's against hakadosh baruch hullan?
Nowhere in the Torah did I see an issur to do it.
Then you probably don't know the whole procedure of Trans gender .  It's definitely against the torah!
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9832 on: March 31, 2016, 10:25:05 AM »
I do not see how one can switch from male to female without doing סירוס
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9833 on: March 31, 2016, 10:33:31 AM »
You're making fun of me.

I don't think anyone here believes you. You're having a bit of fun with everyone else, why shouldn't they feel entitled to have a go at you? Even on the slim chance that you are being serious, why do you expect people to take you that way, given your reputation and the extreme foreignness of the concept to this audience?
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9834 on: March 31, 2016, 10:40:45 AM »
I do not see how one can switch from male to female without doing סירוס
Jenner did not invert I believe.
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9835 on: March 31, 2016, 10:43:38 AM »
Jenner did not invert I believe.
In such a case there is no question that they are halachicly a male and are simply עובר לא תלבש

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Re: If Men Could Become Pregnant, Would You?
« Reply #9836 on: March 31, 2016, 10:44:07 AM »
Assuming doctors figure out a way to make men pregnant in a natural way - the same way women become pregnant nowadays, would you be willing to get yourself the belly?

Just thinking.

I think there is a Chazal somewhere that says if men had to be pregnant instead of women the species would end.
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9837 on: March 31, 2016, 10:46:17 AM »
I don't think anyone here believes you. You're having a bit of fun with everyone else, why shouldn't they feel entitled to have a go at you? Even on the slim chance that you are being serious, why do you expect people to take you that way, given your reputation and the extreme foreignness of the concept to this audience?
That's the problem.
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9838 on: March 31, 2016, 10:50:43 AM »
In such a case there is no question that they are halachicly a male and are simply עובר לא תלבש
And if they did invert, it's not לא תלבש?
אין לא תלבש גדלה מזו
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Re: Trans in Halacha
« Reply #9839 on: March 31, 2016, 10:51:38 AM »
And if they did invert, it's not לא תלבש?
אין לא תלבש גדלה מזו
Unless they would really be considered to have switched.
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