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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10260 on: May 07, 2018, 10:21:25 AM »
They lost their hechsher due to a violation. I wouldn't eat there until they had another reputable hechsher. What's the big deal?
Same goes for Delice in LA. Nothing complicated about that at all.
Maybe. You happen to know the background. What about someone like me who doesn't?
Pretty ballsy to do it in writing. US kashrus agencies have pulled their hashgocha over smaller items than that.
Israelis are more likely to push the limits. Is that the answer to your question in general?
They've told me not recommended before when I've asked. Easy peasy.
And sometimes is is not that clear. You can find hechsherim in Israel where you can get a clear "no good" answer as well to say the least.
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10261 on: May 07, 2018, 10:22:59 AM »
Maybe. You happen to know the background. What about someone like me who doesn't?
You would ask what hechsher they are under and find out that they are not under any?
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10262 on: May 07, 2018, 10:25:39 AM »
You would ask what hechsher they are under and find out that they are not under any?
or find out thay are under some nice sounding hechsher which you don't realize that it is the owner. I wouldn't eat there not knowing exactly who the hechsher is but that is still confusion.
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10263 on: May 07, 2018, 12:39:40 PM »
I think what Dan and many of us are asking/bemoaning is a general lack of standards and known parity across what would otherwise be similiar hachgochas.

For example. In the US, there are 20-30 hechserim that are GRAS (generally recognized as safe), even though there may be nuances. But you know that you are getting a glatt kosher and if specified cholov yisroel and relatively trustworthy hechsher.

In israel, while there is mehadrin (meaningless), the new mehuderet, regilah, and badatz, there is no parity. one mehadrin may be no good, but that's not the problem, the problem is NO KNOWS WHY its no good!. So is it not cy, not glatt, is chalak beit yosef in israel better than glatt or worse, is auerbach good because they split top their chickens? Empire and KAJ dont, as far as I know, do they take teruma in larger batches, is that really a problem? Etc.

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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10264 on: May 07, 2018, 01:51:50 PM »
Don't think they got back to us. We didn't go.
Found the Rav Hamachshir and he emailed me:

כן כל השוקולד הוא חלב ישראל וכל המוצרים מהדרין

הרב ישי סמואל

Now what? Sigh...
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10265 on: May 07, 2018, 02:58:15 PM »
Found the Rav Hamachshir and he emailed me:

כן כל השוקולד הוא חלב ישראל וכל המוצרים מהדרין

הרב ישי סמואל

Now what? Sigh...
I'll say it again ... When you get to heaven after  120...and they ask you if you ate kosher, you'll have no problem saying you're not sure but you def paid for kosher.
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10266 on: May 07, 2018, 03:17:37 PM »
I'll say it again ... When you get to heaven after  120...and they ask you if you ate kosher, you'll have no problem saying you're not sure but you def paid for kosher.
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10267 on: May 07, 2018, 03:53:19 PM »
Found the Rav Hamachshir and he emailed me:

כן כל השוקולד הוא חלב ישראל וכל המוצרים מהדרין

הרב ישי סמואל

Now what? Sigh...
Do you trust their supervision?
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10268 on: May 07, 2018, 03:59:58 PM »
Do you trust their supervision?
How in the world am I supposed to know anything about הרב ישי סמואל?
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10269 on: May 07, 2018, 04:02:25 PM »
How in the world am I supposed to know anything about הרב ישי סמואל?
So then do the same thing as you would do with a Rav Hamachshir in the US who you can't find anything out about them. I'm not sure why you are making this more confusing than in the US.
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10270 on: May 07, 2018, 04:07:07 PM »
Found the Rav Hamachshir and he emailed me:

כן כל השוקולד הוא חלב ישראל וכל המוצרים מהדרין

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Am I the only one that finds it odd that an Israeli manufactured product, which is primarily (exclusively?) sold in Israel would use two foreign based Hechsherim?

Westheim is obviously a step down from top level Kashrus, as evidenced by the Tara switchover (apparently a lot more lenient regarding requirements for certifying milk as CY, possibly other issues).

As someone pointed out upthread "מהדרין" is totally meaningless, as it means different things to different people.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10271 on: May 07, 2018, 04:10:20 PM »
So then do the same thing as you would do with a Rav Hamachshir in the US who you can't find anything out about them. I'm not sure why you are making this more confusing than in the US.
In the US I'd call my friend in the OU or ask the CRC. I don't have anything like that for Israel to rely on.
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10272 on: May 07, 2018, 04:17:22 PM »
In the US I'd call my friend in the OU or ask the CRC. I don't have anything like that for Israel to rely on.
What would you do here if the CRC or OU says they don't know the guy? Until you have someone you trust who does know him then that is where you stand with him.

Westheim is obviously a step down from top level Kashrus, as evidenced by the Tara switchover (apparently a lot more lenient regarding requirements for certifying milk as CY, possibly other issues).

I had thought that it was mentioned that they were under Westheim. But then why is it complicated. Either you will go by his standards or not. CRC can tell you about Westheim.
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10273 on: May 07, 2018, 04:20:42 PM »
What would you do here if the CRC or OU says they don't know the guy? Until you have someone you trust who does know him then that is where you stand with him.
And that is why Israel is more complicated. There is no general CRC or Star-K type line to call into. Therefore Americans find it complicated.
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
« Reply #10274 on: May 07, 2018, 04:25:14 PM »


What would you do here if the CRC or OU says they don't know the guy? Until you have someone you trust who does know him then that is where you stand with him.



And that is why Israel is more complicated. There is no general CRC or Star-K type line to call into. Therefore Americans find it complicated.
To add to this, there are a lot more establishments that fall into this unknown category. Imagine if 7 of every 10 places you asked the CRC, or whoever you trust, about, you got an unknown? Most places in the US will be deemed kosher or not, by one of a few organizations that most of us trust. That cannot be said about Israel.
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