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"You may redeem miles for travel in United Global FirstSM, United First®, United Business® or United BusinessFirst® , even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. For example, a Saver United First award must be confirmed in Saver United Economy to be eligible for waitlisting. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Reservations office"


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Author Topic: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability  (Read 279775 times)

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1350 on: May 20, 2015, 04:11:04 AM »
If i booked this ticket about a month ago on a saaver economy reward, can i still do plan B since its still months before the flight or is it too late since i already booked it? Sorry for being a novice. Thanx in advance!!

FLIGHT INFORMATION
Day, Date   Flight   Class   Departure City and Time   Arrival City and Time   Aircraft   Meal
Mon, 10AUG15   UA1165   XN   LOS ANGELES, CA
(LAX) 10:25 PM   NEWARK, NJ
(EWR - LIBERTY) 6:29 AM      
Tue, 11AUG15   UA84   XN   NEWARK, NJ
(EWR - LIBERTY) 4:40 PM   TEL AVIV, ISRAEL
(TLV) 10:15 AM (12AUG)   777-200   Dinner

Should be fine, give it a try.

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Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1351 on: May 20, 2015, 10:30:38 AM »
Moishybatchy- thanx. I tried and she was able to do it. Only thing is when I booked the saver economy i had th cc so i got xn class now that I don't have it any more i only got "i class requested" instead of "IN class". Does it make a difference, meaning is there a better chance of getting business class with "in" than "i".  If yes then could I sign up for the card again and have them change it to "in"? Thanx in advance!!

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1352 on: May 20, 2015, 10:45:57 AM »
IN does have a better chance. The CC does not give you IN only XN.
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1353 on: May 20, 2015, 06:32:13 PM »
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IN does have a better chance. The CC does not give you IN only XN.

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1354 on: May 20, 2015, 07:06:28 PM »
Forgive me if this has been asked.
When doing a plan B, and you have a domestic short flight, and then the long international flight, can you go to the airport 24 hours before your domestic flight and be put on the top of the list for the international flight?
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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1355 on: May 21, 2015, 02:28:45 AM »
Forgive me if this has been asked.
When doing a plan B, and you have a domestic short flight, and then the long international flight, can you go to the airport 24 hours before your domestic flight and be put on the top of the list for the international flight?

With enough persistence, I think so.

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1356 on: May 22, 2015, 01:10:25 PM »
Ticketed reservation in XN class from SFO to FRA, then X class from FRA to IST on TK. Question, can I Plan B on the SFO to FRA segment by confirming I class on the TK leg (which has availability)? Will I risk losing the additional miles if the SFO segment does not clear, since I will have confirmed the TK leg? I did call UA to see about doing this, but was told they no longer offered waitlist options. Based on other posters, I'm assuming this is a HUCA situation?  Thanks for your help!

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1357 on: May 22, 2015, 01:13:57 PM »
Ticketed reservation in XN class from SFO to FRA, then X class from FRA to IST on TK. Question, can I Plan B on the SFO to FRA segment by confirming I class on the TK leg (which has availability)? Will I risk losing the additional miles if the SFO segment does not clear, since I will have confirmed the TK leg? I did call UA to see about doing this, but was told they no longer offered waitlist options. Based on other posters, I'm assuming this is a HUCA situation?  Thanks for your help!
Welcome to the forums! You're correct. UA will not refund miles if I doesn't clear SFO-FRA if you confirm J on FRA-IST. If you don't confirm J on the second leg and I doesn't clear you'll get the miles back. If I clears SFO-FRA and J is still available FRA-IST you could have UA confirm you in J on TK after you're already confirmed in I on UA.

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1358 on: May 22, 2015, 06:08:59 PM »
Welcome to the forums! You're correct. UA will not refund miles if I doesn't clear SFO-FRA if you confirm J on FRA-IST. If you don't confirm J on the second leg and I doesn't clear you'll get the miles back. If I clears SFO-FRA and J is still available FRA-IST you could have UA confirm you in J on TK after you're already confirmed in I on UA.

Thanks so much, Yehoshua! Are you saying that I can waitlist on the SFO-FRA leg? I thought at least one leg of the trip had to be ticketed in J to do so. How would I go about doing this? Every single agent I've spoken to says that it's not possible to waitlist any longer. Thanks again!

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1359 on: May 22, 2015, 06:11:14 PM »
Thanks so much, Yehoshua! Are you saying that I can waitlist on the SFO-FRA leg? I thought at least one leg of the trip had to be ticketed in J to do so. How would I go about doing this? Every single agent I've spoken to says that it's not possible to waitlist any longer. Thanks again!
When's the flight?

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1360 on: May 22, 2015, 06:16:11 PM »
When's the flight?

July 3rd UA #903 to TK #1588

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1361 on: May 22, 2015, 06:25:42 PM »
July 3rd UA #903 to TK #1588
Have United call you. The agents at that line can help you set up plan B better than when you call them. And yes, you should be able to set it up because TK J is available now.

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1362 on: May 25, 2015, 06:10:38 AM »
You cannot do Plan B.

1) Your second flight is on TK metal; Plan B is only available on UA metal.
2) Your international flight will be confirmed in J, so "Plan B" is irrelevant - even if it were UA metal, and your waitlist would clear for the international segment (but not the domestic), the Plan B would be considered "successful", despite the fact that you would be in the exact situation you find yourself right now. So either way, you're already at the "finish line" of Plan B, so to speak.

What you can do is request a simple, plain old-fashioned "waitlist". And it mentions it right there on the UA site (http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx):

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You may redeem miles for travel in United Global First, United First, United Business or United BusinessFirst, even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Customer Contact Center.

You won't get any mileage refund if it doesn't clear, but everything else about that paragraph should be true.

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1363 on: June 01, 2015, 11:06:16 AM »
If there is saver award availability, does that mean that X or XN has to be open?

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Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
« Reply #1364 on: June 01, 2015, 11:22:27 AM »
If there is saver award availability, does that mean that X or XN has to be open?
Yes