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Re: Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #180 on: September 11, 2012, 11:00:20 PM »
then it was with one of the other israeli cities, my point stands. Many of todays gedolim are unfortunately puppets when it comes to most of the modern issues they don't know anything about no matter how holy they are and how brilliant they may be

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #181 on: September 11, 2012, 11:23:59 PM »
then it was with one of the other israeli cities, my point stands. Many of todays gedolim are unfortunately puppets when it comes to most of the modern issues they don't know anything about no matter how holy they are and how brilliant they may be
I don't think this statement will help you out in the upcoming yom hadin.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #182 on: September 11, 2012, 11:32:48 PM »
by saying that Reb Chaim and his peers aren't familiar with the internet and such?? I'm not diminishing their holiness on the contrary I'm saying they are way above these things and are guided in their knowledge by ppl with agendas.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #183 on: September 11, 2012, 11:33:48 PM »
and your response is completely irrelevant, you are neither agreeing or disagreeing with my statement

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #184 on: September 12, 2012, 03:09:09 AM »
then it was with one of the other israeli cities, my point stands. Many of todays gedolim are unfortunately puppets when it comes to most of the modern issues they don't know anything about no matter how holy they are and how brilliant they may be
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I have personal knowledge of a story of a certain Rav who tried going to R' Elyashiv zatzal with convincing evidence that Shabbos elevators (with a good hashgacha, of course) are kosher. He was prevented from getting in by the "powers-that-be", who told him pretty much straight out, that over their dead bodies was he going to change R' Elyashiv's opinion.

So whenever I hear that R' Elyashiv was against Shabbos elevators - or pas akum chips, or crocs on Yom Kippur, etc. - I unfortunately have to say that I dont necessarily believe it. Not that he didn't say it... Just that there is a high likelihood he was fed false info by people with agendas.

It's really a shame what these vicious people have done - and continue to do - to the reputation of our gedolim. :(

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #185 on: September 12, 2012, 03:40:39 AM »
So whenever I hear that R' Elyashiv was against Shabbos elevators - or pas akum chips, or crocs on Yom Kippur, etc.

What's the crocs story? This is a new one to me.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #186 on: September 12, 2012, 04:41:21 AM »
then it was with one of the other israeli cities, my point stands. Many of todays gedolim are unfortunately puppets when it comes to most of the modern issues they don't know anything about no matter how holy they are and how brilliant they may be
that's stupidity.   any city that's part of eretz yisroel, rav chaim is well familiar with. the man knows tnach better than you know your name.    if the state of israel decided to call a city by a new name that's not biblically accurate, then there's no reason why he should be familiar with it.     so no, your point doesn't stand.

in terms of the general agendas of those that surround the gedolim... ya, it is a problem, and taints everything that's supposedly said by the gedolim.     in terms of the above sign in particular, whether rav chaim said it or not, it seems pretty simple to me.  if you live in a makom where the chachamim  have assured it, as platinumguy pointed out, then you're definitely a poretz geder by having one, and all dinim of a poretz geder apply.       
the only chiddush in what he "said," was that you could daven with them; a kulah!           

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #187 on: September 12, 2012, 05:58:57 AM »
It get's worse:


Being that the klal is that whatever is posted on the wall is 100% false, this is great news! Now we know iPhones are mutar

(v'horaya, the Tzlach must have been very ahead of his times if he was against ppl with iPhones)

Rumor is, the add was sponsored by Android. And Apples attorneys are taking objection to "V'domov"
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #188 on: September 12, 2012, 06:31:10 AM »
the title actually is a bit sensational...

True, it is... but so is the original comment in the article that inspired this thread to begin with.

Being that the klal is that whatever is posted on the wall is 100% false, this is great news! Now we know iPhones are mutar

(v'horaya, the Tzlach must have been very ahead of his times if he was against ppl with iPhones)

Rumor is, the add was sponsored by Android. And Apples attorneys are taking objection to "V'domov"

ALOL! ;D

BTW, I'm not affected by those ads. I saw paper copies of them in Dushinsky, and further down the page it says "machzikei ha-iphone v'ha-Galaxy..." As I have an LG, looks like I'm okay. Phew!

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #189 on: September 12, 2012, 08:42:54 AM »
This from reb chaim kanyevski who didn't know bet shemesh is in israel:)

I don't know where you're from but your choice of words conveys a contempt and total lack of respect for Gedolim. You have no idea what you are talking about. RAV CHAIM KANIEVSKY SHLITA knows more about this world inreal time than you do, even with your galaxy. You have no clue how ashamed you should be of yourself.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #190 on: September 12, 2012, 08:54:54 AM »
do you believe that he's aware of what the internet is and he checked it out and understand its practical applications??? His advisors went in to him and explained to him that this is a tumana thing and is the worst thing In The world!

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #191 on: September 12, 2012, 08:58:28 AM »
First of all, I disagree. Second of all, that is stick inexcusable to speak about a Gadol like that. Kavod Hatorah!!

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #192 on: September 12, 2012, 09:10:45 AM »
I really don't get you.
Why does that show disrespect to gedolim?
I mean, do you really believe a gadol knows what Google means without someone explaining him what it is? Do you think Rav Chaim reads TechCrunch every day and he's up-to-date with all technologies?
I'm pretty sure I can go in to him and nicely explain him the problem of YouTube because it has a percentage of Chazir fats on it and its not double-wrapped.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #193 on: September 12, 2012, 09:17:54 AM »
do you believe that he's aware of what the internet is and he checked it out and understand its practical applications??? His advisors went in to him and explained to him that this is a tumana thing and is the worst thing In The world!

I agree with you. In the last couple of years I started realizing that with many sects of Chassidim the Rebbe has nothing to say unfortunately.
And I don't mean with just "bigger" issues like iphones. Even on personal one on one issues.

I was actually speaking to someone a while back on a certain smaller sect of Chassidus where they had thrown boys out of their Yeshiva for listening to the radio. And they were slowly but surely headed to the wrong path. They exclaimed "How could the Rebbe allow this to happen in his own Yeshiva?" "I can't believe that's what he thinks should happen to these boys"
And honestly, I don't think he would have agreed with it at all. The Rebbe has to be one of the most loving people I have ever met.
Do you think he has any say? Unfortunately not. They may very well be great people (many are!)  but sometimes it doesn't feel like they have much power or that they are the ones running the show.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #194 on: September 12, 2012, 09:18:00 AM »
thank you!! Why do some ppl think that anything a person says is disrespectful to gedolim!
and btw I have seen some of the internal "vaad harrabanim" videos that has all the quotes from Reb Chaim kanievski with the pictures of him putting money into the pushkas etc if you would see how disrespectful they are to him! They basically put money in his hand and make him put money into pushkas for photo ops! You would understand what I'm saying about ppl with agendas pushing gedolim around!