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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #195 on: September 12, 2012, 09:20:27 AM »
thank you!! Why do some ppl think that anything a person says is disrespectful to gedolim!
and btw I have seen some of the internal "vaad harrabanim" videos that has all the quotes from Reb Chaim kanievski with the pictures of him putting money into the pushkas etc if you would see how disrespectful they are to him! They basically put money in his hand and make him put money into pushkas for photo ops! You would understand what I'm saying about ppl with agendas pushing gedolim around!

That's awful. But unfortunately not that hard to believe.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #196 on: September 12, 2012, 09:21:08 AM »
we are not being disrespectful to them ! There are countless stories with all chassidishe sects sjmiliar to that. There are stories with a few rebbes that asserred pizza without having a clue of what it is etc

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #197 on: September 12, 2012, 10:11:11 AM »
I'm sure Dasan V'Aviram had even better stuff to say about Moshe Rabeinu. Oh, and let's not forget how Moshe gave powerful offices to his family members (Aharon), he was so corrupt (Korach). Hizaher Begachalasan!!! Yeh! all the gedolim are so dumb, they trust people who are terrible, wow! they must really have no brains!! Oh! and BTW, I have so much respect for them. Oy lanu leyom hadin!!!!

Answer this 1 question:


 How is saying that Gedolim allow themselves to be controlled by bad people not being disrespectful to them?
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #198 on: September 12, 2012, 10:58:23 AM »
#1 Chill - You aren't gonna be any holier with all these quotes this is a normal conversation.
#2 I didn't say bad ppl I said ppl with an agenda - Stop putting words into my mouth to try to make yourself more self righteous!!
#3 Every gadol has a inner circle that advises him - and if someone he trusts will come over to him and tell him about this new thing that is pure tumah etc he will right an issur against it because thats what he believes!

I answered your question now you answer mine. Do you honestly believes R' chaim kanyenvski know what the internet is? Do you think he knows its practical applications and hundreds of thousands of jews use it for their only source of income - or even getting sales and saving money!

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #199 on: September 12, 2012, 11:05:13 AM »
and btw I have seen some of the internal "vaad harrabanim" videos that has all the quotes from Reb Chaim kanievski with the pictures of him putting money into the pushkas etc if you would see how disrespectful they are to him! They basically put money in his hand and make him put money into pushkas for photo ops! You would understand what I'm saying about ppl with agendas pushing gedolim around!

Link, please? I would LOVE to see this. I have never been a fan of Kupat Ha'ir and Vaad Harabanim's marketing techniques. It would be nice to have some solid proof that I am right...

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #200 on: September 12, 2012, 11:05:58 AM »
@lamdan
 So you say the inner circle of a gadol or a rabbi don't have their own agenda???
I this what you're saying???
If yes, I don't have what to argue with you anymore. You're clueless. Period.
As I personally know the closest gabai of a well known, respectful rabbi who, literally, has a mass of followers, I can tell you, you're very very na´ve. Sorry again.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #201 on: September 12, 2012, 11:10:15 AM »
No one here as far as I have seen is talking against rabbanim we are saying that sometimes they have ppl in their inner circle with their own agenda and they have the gadols trust in matters he isn't that familiar with

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #202 on: September 12, 2012, 01:47:23 PM »
No one here as far as I have seen is talking against rabbanim we are saying that sometimes they have ppl in their inner circle with their own agenda and they have the gadols trust in matters he isn't that familiar with
your comment about rav chaim not even knowing where beit shemesh was (or some other city in israel), was degrading (and stupid, as i already mentioned).   

to say that none of the people advising the gedolim have agendas of their own is naive.

to say that all the people advising the gedolim are feeding them lies to further their own agendas is baseless (and probably comes from looking for an excuse to make ureself (not directed at anyone in particular) feel better about not adhering to the psakim of the gedolim).

in terms of the internet, you're arguing that he doesn't know it's practical applications for business etc etc but that's completely moot.  at this point i don't believe there are any gedolim saying you're not allowed to use internet for business. everyone knows that the world today is at a point where it's debilitating not be able to use the internet for business purposes.       noone needs an iphone or galaxy for business.       most people can get by just fine with the internet in their house/laptop.  those that can't, can get by with blackberry's.    the iphone/galaxy/"ukdomeh" (lol) are gadgets, and are there, for the most part, for entertainment purposes.       

arguing that the gedolim never went on the internet themselves is silly.  they've been told what's on it, and what's able to be accessed by it, and that's more than enough.    like i said, for the business applications noone is assuring it.  for it's other applications, they should be assuring it, who are we kidding.     

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #203 on: September 12, 2012, 01:48:12 PM »
I really think this thread (as sensational as it is) has got to go.So lets end this conversation new conversation .....ok moving on hows the weather in "yehupitz"  :-X

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #204 on: September 12, 2012, 01:50:33 PM »
noone needs an iphone or galaxy for business..           
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #205 on: September 12, 2012, 01:51:23 PM »
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unless you're a blogger.   or possibly one or two other random things.                 or i can rephrase, %99 of the people that have iphones/galaxy don't need them for business (for anything more than they could have gotten out of a blackberry).

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #206 on: September 12, 2012, 01:55:13 PM »
I really think this thread (as sensational as it is) has got to go.So lets end this conversation new conversation .....ok moving on hows the weather in "yehupitz"  :-X
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #207 on: September 12, 2012, 02:11:27 PM »
#1 Chill - You aren't gonna be any holier with all these quotes this is a normal conversation.
#2 I didn't say bad ppl I said ppl with an agenda - Stop putting words into my mouth to try to make yourself more self righteous!!
#3 Every gadol has a inner circle that advises him - and if someone he trusts will come over to him and tell him about this new thing that is pure tumah etc he will right an issur against it because thats what he believes!

I answered your question now you answer mine. Do you honestly believes R' chaim kanyenvski know what the internet is? Do you think he knows its practical applications and hundreds of thousands of jews use it for their only source of income - or even getting sales and saving money!
You still haven't answered how saying e/t you're saying is not being unrespectful. Saying " Every gadol has a inner circle that advises him - and if someone he trusts will come over to him and tell him about this new thing that is pure tumah etc he will right an issur against it because thats what he believes!" is unrespectful, period.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #208 on: September 12, 2012, 02:14:15 PM »
@lamdan
 So you say the inner circle of a gadol or a rabbi don't have their own agenda???
I this what you're saying???
If yes, I don't have what to argue with you anymore. You're clueless. Period.
As I personally know the closest gabai of a well known, respectful rabbi who, literally, has a mass of followers, I can tell you, you're very very na´ve. Sorry again.
I'm saying, don't say it and still claim you're being respectful.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #209 on: September 12, 2012, 02:15:30 PM »
is righting an issur better than wronging one?  and being unrespectful is better than... heh, not sure what to do with that one