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Re: Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #210 on: September 12, 2012, 02:20:23 PM »
I'm saying, don't say it and still claim you're being respectful.

He MEANS no disrespect.

He is just stating things he knows to be true for himself.

Sorry you take it as disrespectful.

Everyone has their own views and opinions. There are many thay believe you are disrespecting great gedolim right now by being online and going against their views. 


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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #211 on: September 12, 2012, 02:21:23 PM »
Your lack of knowledge in specific areas doesnt make me disrespectful. It just makes you uninformed.
And i'm not against filters etc - I was from the early ppl working on filters way before citifield. I'm not making a blanket statement that every gadol has an advisor with an agenda, and you can;t make a blanket statement to the contrary either. I still don't understand why you are all up in arms about this as if I'm making fun or belitteling gedolim - some ppl tend to get overexcited as if they are big kanoim!
and the r' chaim kanyevski with bet shemesh was used to make a point not that it happened, I'm sure hes fully aware of every city in israel

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #212 on: September 12, 2012, 02:22:36 PM »
Allow me to give you major props for your better English writing. It makes it a pleasure to read your posts.
I wondered if any one noticed a difference from my original posts (beginning of week)to my more recent posts with proper full words..
thanks for noticing  ::)   ;D   

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Re: Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #213 on: September 12, 2012, 02:23:54 PM »
He MEANS no disrespect.

He is just stating things he knows to be true for himself.

Sorry you take it as disrespectful.

Everyone has their own views and opinions. There are many thay believe you are disrespecting great gedolim right now by being online and going against their views.

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according to rav wosner and others you shouldnt be here answering me. Oh wait didn't they go to him afterwards to try to change his mind and get a more lenient psak!! Isn't that disrespectful??

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #214 on: September 12, 2012, 02:25:12 PM »
Your lack of knowledge in specific areas doesnt make me disrespectful. It just makes you uninformed.
And i'm not against filters etc - I was from the early ppl working on filters way before citifield. I'm not making a blanket statement that every gadol has an advisor with an agenda, and you can;t make a blanket statement to the contrary either. I still don't understand why you are all up in arms about this as if I'm making fun or belitteling gedolim - some ppl tend to get overexcited as if they are big kanoim!
and the r' chaim kanyevski with bet shemesh was used to make a point not that it happened, I'm sure hes fully aware of every city in israel
You still can't answer the big question. Write a reply starting with these words: It's not disrespectful to say that a gadol allows people to fool him because...... Till you do you are a joke.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #215 on: September 12, 2012, 02:27:33 PM »
and the r' chaim kanyevski with bet shemesh was used to make a point not that it happened
so now you're making up degrading stories that you know never actually happened?   and that's supposed to prove a point?    lmao       

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #216 on: September 12, 2012, 02:28:09 PM »
Your saying that a gadol would "know" that his advisor is telling him thigs about technology even though he knows nothing about it?????

Your saying that gedolim are never fooled???? Seriously???? How naive are you?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #217 on: September 12, 2012, 02:28:10 PM »
Naiveté is hard to overcome, even with explanation.
I don't think he'll ever understand.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #218 on: September 12, 2012, 02:33:22 PM »
Naiveté is hard to overcome, even with explanation.
I don't think he'll ever understand.
Naiveté, hmmm, fancy word, is that like taking the words of a citi csr at face value?    ;)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #219 on: September 12, 2012, 02:33:45 PM »
so now you're making up degrading stories that you know never actually happened?   and that's supposed to prove a point?    lmao     
My point isn't degrading!!! When I say that a gadol is on a higher level as doesn't always know about these mundane matters thats degrading? Whats about all the stories about gedolim who were so oblivious and bumped into trees etc is that degrading too?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #220 on: September 12, 2012, 02:34:55 PM »
Your lack of knowledge in specific areas doesnt make me disrespectful. It just makes you uninformed.
And i'm not against filters etc - I was from the early ppl working on filters way before citifield. I'm not making a blanket statement that every gadol has an advisor with an agenda, and you can;t make a blanket statement to the contrary either. I still don't understand why you are all up in arms about this as if I'm making fun or belitteling gedolim - some ppl tend to get overexcited as if they are big kanoim!
and the r' chaim kanyevski with bet shemesh was used to make a point not that it happened, I'm sure hes fully aware of every city in israel


I think there are many people in our societies who are raised to be taught that Gedolim are "always right, perfect, the smartest etc etc"  and it takes growing up and being aware of things until you realize that not everything is 100% like that.


In fact it's just a general way children grow up. The same way that you wake up one day and realize your parents aren't always right or perfect or making the smartest decisions.


I think when we speak like this it makes Rabbeim/Rebbes more human in our minds. And that throws people off from this idea that's in their head.

I think many people would automatically read some of the above posts and their first instinct would be "Wow, such chutzpah, such lies"

It's just a sign of maturity and awareness when you start to realize that things aren't so black and white.

And if any of the above posts sound disrespectful I can understand why someone may think that.
You can only take the posters word that they mean no disrespect and that they are sharing their thoughts and views (even if it may SEEM disrespectful to you)








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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #221 on: September 12, 2012, 02:35:31 PM »
Your saying that a gadol would "know" that his advisor is telling him thigs about technology even though he knows nothing about it?????

Your saying that gedolim are never fooled???? Seriously???? How naive are you?
I'm saying it's disrespectful to say you can't trusr anything, because they always are. BTW, you keep running in circles, answer the  question.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #222 on: September 12, 2012, 02:36:41 PM »

I think there are many people in our societies who are raised to be taught that Gedolim are "always right, perfect, the smartest etc etc"  and it takes growing up and being aware of things until you realize that not everything is 100% like that.


In fact it's just a general way children grow up. The same way that you wake up one day and realize your parents aren't always right or perfect or making the smartest decisions.


I think when we speak like this it makes Rabbeim/Rebbes more human in our minds. And that throws people off from this idea that's in their head.

I think many people would automatically read some of the above posts and their first instinct would be "Wow, such chutzpah, such lies"

It's just a sign of maturity and awareness when you start to realize that things aren't so black and white.

And if any of the above posts sound disrespectful I can understand why someone may think that.
You can only take the posters word that they mean no disrespect and that they are sharing their thoughts and views (even if it may SEEM disrespectful to you)
Very well said!

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #223 on: September 12, 2012, 02:37:32 PM »
You still can't answer the big question. Write a reply starting with these words: It's not disrespectful to say that a gadol allows people to fool him because...... Till you do you are a joke.

Is it disrespectful to say when a Rebbe steals from the government and gets thrown in Jail?

It's just the truth.

The same way it may be true that not every Rebbe gets to make the choices he wants.  It's just sad fact. And if you want to argue it's not a fact so then it's a sad thought that I believe.

It's disrespectful to the rebbe that it's like that. That's the truth.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #224 on: September 12, 2012, 02:37:59 PM »
My point isn't degrading!!! When I say that a gadol is on a higher level as doesn't always know about these mundane matters thats degrading? Whats about all the stories about gedolim who were so oblivious and bumped into trees etc is that degrading too?
your logic is twisted, you said they made a PSAK about something they're clueless about. Stop defending yourself, just admit you have the same hashkafos as all the poshei yisrael through out the generations. The age old cry "Mai ahanu lan rabanan".
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