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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #225 on: September 12, 2012, 02:38:27 PM »
I'm saying it's disrespectful to say you can't trusr anything, because they always are. BTW, you keep running in circles, answer the  question.

NO ONE said you can't trust anything a Rebbe/Rav says because they are always fooled. NO ONE.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #226 on: September 12, 2012, 02:41:03 PM »
My point isn't degrading!!! When I say that a gadol is on a higher level as doesn't always know about these mundane matters thats degrading? Whats about all the stories about gedolim who were so oblivious and bumped into trees etc is that degrading too?
you're ignorance here speaks volumes.   there are no stories about gedolim being so oblivious they walk into trees.  those are stories about illuyim. and, yes, those stories are somewhat degrading as well; people don't say them about gedolim.       

saying he's on a higher level and doesn't know the internet from a personal basis is not degrading at all.   saying he's such a poor judge of character that he completely surrounds himself with conniving liars who are only after their own agenda, and that he's so gullible that he eats up everything they feed him without using his own brain to sift through the information, a brain which has spent more time delving into G-ds wisdom and creation then %99.9999 of the frum world, ya, that comes across is degrading.                obviously it's possible for a gadol to be fooled, they're people too, but don't for a second think they don't use their heads (and siyata dishmaya) for mundane matter when it comes to making a psak. 

the real problem is that you never even know what psak they said, because most of the time the stuff that they supposedly said is completely fabricated, or taken out of context.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #227 on: September 12, 2012, 02:44:45 PM »
@lamdan I can just see you during the time of the gra running around putting chassidim in cherem etc! all the full-of-hot-air kanous, they always had ppl like that in all the centuries. ppl like that were the ones who heated up every machlokas as if they are only talking lshem shomayim, all the while busy quoting chazals but at the end of the day......
There were always ppl standing next to rabonim sometimes helping and sometimes the opposite - many big machlokes that happened in klal yisroel throughout time was becasue of this.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #228 on: September 12, 2012, 02:44:58 PM »
   saying he's such a poor judge of character that he completely surrounds himself with conniving liars who are only after their own agenda, and that he's so gullible that he eats up everything they feed him without using his own brain to sift through the information, a brain which has spent more time delving into G-ds wisdom and creation then %99.9999 of the frum world, ya, that comes across is degrading.               



No one said that either.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #229 on: September 12, 2012, 02:46:31 PM »
you're ignorance here speaks volumes.   there are no stories about gedolim being so oblivious they walk into trees.  those are stories about illuyim. and, yes, those stories are somewhat degrading as well; people don't say them about gedolim.       

saying he's on a higher level and doesn't know the internet from a personal basis is not degrading at all.   saying he's such a poor judge of character that he completely surrounds himself with conniving liars who are only after their own agenda, and that he's so gullible that he eats up everything they feed him without using his own brain to sift through the information, a brain which has spent more time delving into G-ds wisdom and creation then %99.9999 of the frum world, ya, that comes across is degrading.                obviously it's possible for a gadol to be fooled, they're people too, but don't for a second think they don't use their heads (and siyata dishmaya) for mundane matter when it comes to making a psak.
@Yare, couldn't have made the point any better. I see you have very good communication skills, if you can't convince these clowns, I for sure can't.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #230 on: September 12, 2012, 02:47:31 PM »
How many gedolim were behing shabtzei tzvi?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #231 on: September 12, 2012, 02:48:57 PM »
@lamdan I can just see you during the time of the gra running around putting chassidim in cherem etc! all the full-of-hot-air kanous, they always had ppl like that in all the centuries. ppl like that were the ones who heated up every machlokas as if they are only talking lshem shomayim, all the while busy quoting chazals but at the end of the day......
There were always ppl standing next to rabonim sometimes helping and sometimes the opposite - many big machlokes that happened in klal yisroel throughout time was becasue of this.
I could just see you joining the Romans and burning the Bais Hamikdash, I won the argument, I said I can just see you doing s/t worse than you said about me. My Totty's stronger than your Totty.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #232 on: September 12, 2012, 02:49:19 PM »
you're ignorance here speaks volumes.   there are no stories about gedolim being so oblivious they walk into trees.  those are stories about illuyim. and, yes, those stories are somewhat degrading as well; people don't say them about gedolim.       
Every book about the litvishe roshai yeshivos and gedolim have these stoiries in them! If they write the proudly maybe you aren't understanding thinmgs correctly or maybe your "degrading" compass is a little overly sensitive on someone elses chsehbon

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #233 on: September 12, 2012, 02:50:07 PM »
I could just see you joining the Romans and burning the Bais Hamikdash, I won the argument, I said I can just see you doing s/t worse than you said about me. My Totty's stronger than your Totty.
Thats just immature

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #234 on: September 12, 2012, 02:50:26 PM »
you're ignorance here speaks volumes.   there are no stories about gedolim being so oblivious they walk into trees.  those are stories about illuyim. and, yes, those stories are somewhat degrading as well; people don't say them about gedolim.       

saying he's on a higher level and doesn't know the internet from a personal basis is not degrading at all.   saying he's such a poor judge of character that he completely surrounds himself with conniving liars who are only after their own agenda, and that he's so gullible that he eats up everything they feed him without using his own brain to sift through the information, a brain which has spent more time delving into G-ds wisdom and creation then %99.9999 of the frum world, ya, that comes across is degrading.                obviously it's possible for a gadol to be fooled, they're people too, but don't for a second think they don't use their heads (and siyata dishmaya) for mundane matter when it comes to making a psak. 

@yare @ lamdan This is insane. Please take your straw man arguments and leave. No one in this entire thread made any comment like the one you said. You both are just trolling here.

All that was said, by some people on this thread, was that when encountering items that they have no knowledge about, gedolim tend to turn to those that are near them for clarification. The same thing any one of us would do.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #235 on: September 12, 2012, 02:58:58 PM »
All that was said, by some people on this thread, was that when encountering items that they have no knowledge about, gedolim tend to turn to those that are near them for clarification. The same thing any one of us would do.
i'm not sure if you're having reading issues or comprehension ones, but that's not what's been said.   
@lamdan I can just see you during the time of the gra running around putting chassidim in cherem etc! all the full-of-hot-air kanous, they always had ppl like that in all the centuries. ppl like that were the ones who heated up every machlokas as if they are only talking lshem shomayim, all the while busy quoting chazals but at the end of the day......
it was actually the gra himself who put them in cherem.  so now rav chaim isn't enough for you, you're moving on to the gaon?  really?  lol     
How many gedolim were behing shabtzei tzvi?
yes, that was a calamity.  and therefore one should no longer listen to the gedolim?  ???  great argument
Every book about the litvishe roshai yeshivos and gedolim have these stoiries in them!
i'm unaware of any such books.  though, to be honest, i spend my free time on more entertaining subjects.     but, i'm listening, tell me a few....

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #236 on: September 12, 2012, 03:00:39 PM »
I never said stop listening to gedoilim, ppl who like arguing always hear what they want to hear, I merley said that their inner circle soimetimes have their own agenda and they rely on them for critical matters that they are unfamiliar with

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #237 on: September 12, 2012, 03:01:49 PM »
Thats just immature
my point was to bring out how immature your post was.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #238 on: September 12, 2012, 03:02:55 PM »
All that was said, by some people on this thread, was that when encountering items that they have no knowledge about, gedolim tend to turn to those that are near them for clarification. The same thing any one of us would do.
+1

Similar to what the Rabannim in the gemara did when they needed to, whether it was astrology, or weird creatures that they needed to pasken on.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #239 on: September 12, 2012, 03:04:11 PM »
I was actually bringing out a point.
sorry guys I'm done this conversation is pointless - logic will never win against blind stubborness