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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #240 on: September 12, 2012, 03:05:20 PM »
I was actually bringing out a point.
sorry guys I'm done this conversation is pointless - logic will never win against blind stubborness
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #241 on: September 12, 2012, 03:07:14 PM »
I was actually bringing out a point.
sorry guys I'm done this conversation is pointless - logic will never win against blind stubborness

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #242 on: September 12, 2012, 03:25:11 PM »
i'm not sure if you're having reading issues or comprehension ones, but that's not what's been said.   

Lol, typical troll response. 1- You refuse to show where any one made this wild claim that gedolim are poor judges of charcter etc., other than you. Instead of doing that, you attack my response. Like I said, pretty typical trolling behavior and I'm surprised there is no rule about that sort of stuff here. And just to clear, here is the original comment  "Every gadol has a inner circle that advises him - and if someone he trusts will come over to him and tell him about this new thing that is pure tumah etc he will right an issur against it because thats what he believes!" Not at all what you claim, is it troll?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #243 on: September 12, 2012, 03:40:29 PM »
Lol, typical troll response. 1- You refuse to show where any one made this wild claim that gedolim are poor judges of charcter etc., other than you. Instead of doing that, you attack my response. Like I said, pretty typical trolling behavior and I'm surprised there is no rule about that sort of stuff here. And just to clear, here is the original comment  "Every gadol has a inner circle that advises him - and if someone he trusts will come over to him and tell him about this new thing that is pure tumah etc he will right an issur against it because thats what he believes!" Not at all what you claim, is it troll?


Let's lay off of the name-calling, despite disagreements.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #244 on: September 12, 2012, 03:47:00 PM »
So who murdered Rav Elysahiv???....
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #245 on: September 12, 2012, 03:49:30 PM »
So who murdered Rav Elysahiv???....
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #246 on: September 12, 2012, 03:52:09 PM »

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #247 on: September 12, 2012, 04:56:22 PM »
Lol, typical troll response. 1- You refuse to show where any one made this wild claim that gedolim are poor judges of charcter etc., other than you. Instead of doing that, you attack my response. Like I said, pretty typical trolling behavior and I'm surprised there is no rule about that sort of stuff here. And just to clear, here is the original comment  "Every gadol has a inner circle that advises him - and if someone he trusts will come over to him and tell him about this new thing that is pure tumah etc he will right an issur against it because thats what he believes!" Not at all what you claim, is it troll?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #248 on: September 13, 2012, 12:37:58 AM »
So who murdered Rav Elysahiv???....
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #249 on: September 13, 2012, 12:48:43 AM »
there are no stories about gedolim being so oblivious they walk into trees.  those are stories about illuyim. and, yes, those stories are somewhat degrading as well; people don't say them about gedolim.       
Perhaps one persons "Gadol" is for another just an "illuy"?  Perhaps? 
Well, I'll tell you.  For sure.

Guys like @lamdan and others here (2 others come to mind, they know who they are very well) will always just pull out the "You'll burn in gehenom", "You're playing with fire" or "you better do teshuva before yom hadin" and worse -scare tactics.  That may work in Lakewood or maybe still in Cheder, not here.
Instead of sticking to inteligent conversation, they resort to these old shtet'l techniques (oddly enough, strikingly similar to the type of wording pashkevil-writers are expert at).
Their intolerance is sickening.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #250 on: September 13, 2012, 02:13:06 AM »
Perhaps one persons "Gadol" is for another just an "illuy"?  Perhaps? 
Well, I'll tell you.  For sure.

Guys like @lamdan and others here (2 others come to mind, they know who they are very well) will always just pull out the "You'll burn in gehenom", "You're playing with fire" or "you better do teshuva before yom hadin" and worse -scare tactics.  That may work in Lakewood or maybe still in Cheder, not here.
Instead of sticking to inteligent conversation, they resort to these old shtet'l techniques (oddly enough, strikingly similar to the type of wording pashkevil-writers are expert at).
Their intolerance is sickening.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #251 on: September 13, 2012, 08:08:25 AM »
This is how it started

This from reb chaim kanyevski who didn't know bet shemesh is in israel:)
then it was with one of the other israeli cities, my point stands. Many of todays gedolim are unfortunately puppets when it comes to most of the modern issues they don't know anything about no matter how holy they are and how brilliant they may be

As Yare and Lamdan pointed out, the Rav made a PSAK based on something that you claim he is clueless about. Personally, I don't believe signs posted on walls, but you say he made such a psak and was wrong. Do you think that is respectful or disrespectful?

You write r' or rav ... in lowercase. If I write about your Rebbe the same way you are doing here, would you feel I am being disrespectful?

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r' menachem mendel shniyorson was fooled into believing cigarettes were dangerous because he was gullible and relied on info that his neighbors great aunt told him. He told his follower to throw out his stash that he was planning on selling even though it was worth over $4000 at the time (in todays value $1.3 million). he was brilliant and holy but unfortunately clueless about modern issues

How does that look?  :o :o :o
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Re: trolls
« Reply #252 on: September 13, 2012, 08:15:55 AM »
@yare @ lamdan This is insane...  You both are just trolling here.

Funny! Welcome to the forums, longtime lurker. How is the herring? j/k but it is funny that you are calling them trolls. I think you mean to say that here they are acting like trolls.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #253 on: September 13, 2012, 08:20:52 AM »
Perhaps one persons "Gadol" is for another just an "illuy"?  Perhaps? 
Well, I'll tell you.  For sure.

Guys like @lamdan and others here (2 others come to mind, they know who they are very well) will always just pull out the "You'll burn in gehenom", "You're playing with fire" or "you better do teshuva before yom hadin" and worse -scare tactics.  That may work in Lakewood or maybe still in Cheder, not here.
Instead of sticking to inteligent conversation, they resort to these old shtet'l techniques (oddly enough, strikingly similar to the type of wording pashkevil-writers are expert at).
Their intolerance is sickening.
Well said!
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #254 on: September 13, 2012, 08:23:39 AM »
Perhaps one persons "Gadol" is for another just an "illuy"?  Perhaps? 
Well, I'll tell you.  For sure.
as i told data guy, i'm unaware of any such stories said proudly about gedolim, but since you seem to know about them "for sure," i'd love to be educated...
Guys like @lamdan and others here (2 others come to mind, they know who they are very well) will always just pull out the "You'll burn in gehenom", "You're playing with fire" or "you better do teshuva before yom hadin" and worse -scare tactics.  That may work in Lakewood or maybe still in Cheder, not here.
Instead of sticking to inteligent conversation, they resort to these old shtet'l techniques (oddly enough, strikingly similar to the type of wording pashkevil-writers are expert at).
Their intolerance is sickening.
lol    you should learn to laugh people like that off, instead of taking it so personally; especially on an open forum where every yokel is invited (notice our friend lee).  it will help your blood pressure.                           

in terms of the actual argument at hand, it seems like the only thing they were able to respond to was the propaganda, and not to any of the intelligent discourse.