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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2012, 07:58:44 PM »
Just a reminder: this is a secular forum (which accidentally attracted an out-of-proportion crowd of religious hawks), so please be tolerant. Thanks.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2012, 08:00:13 PM »

However determining it as a fact requires a נביא.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2012, 08:13:25 PM »
who would know that by keeping my old trusty centro "dumb phone" I am saving the gedolim "one dumb phone at a time"
When it comes to this, Centro's (with email, internet, texting etc) are smartphones!

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2012, 10:23:51 PM »
The loss of R Elyashiv is probably considered a personal loss to all, for example everyone is mechuyav to tear kriea.
You mean you really tore kriya? Just askin'..
(not at all trying to ch'v belittle Rav Elyashiv in any way, just a matter of how personal this is -and for who..)
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2012, 10:37:06 PM »
The rambam holds every death is caused by something whereas other rishonim hold a person is born with a specific life quota.

Doesn't the gemara say:
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ארבעה מתו בעטיו של נחש

And (hashgacha pratis today's daf):

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אין ערוד ממית אלא החטא ממית

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2012, 10:49:32 PM »
That refers to j-s
Only b/c that's how they use it. How do we translate Ado..i?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2012, 10:53:07 PM »
The rambam holds every death is caused by something whereas other rishonim hold a person is born with a specific life quota.
I assume you say this statement referring to a gadol only, b/c the gemara says that deaths can happen even not 'in their time' if a person puts himself into the situation. (which obviously in not the case here, but you did you the term 'every')

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2012, 10:57:46 PM »
Only b/c that's how they use it. How do we translate Ado..i?
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2012, 11:23:06 PM »
@ashero, it is a big topic in rishonmin, will post sources tomorrow.

There's a letter from the Rambam, a tosifos kesuvos 33a
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2012, 03:39:40 AM »
If he was killed by phones, it was by the scam artists that created kosher phones, and by all the other menuvalim bcvod hatorah who made up psakim from R Elyashev just so they could make millions
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Re: Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2012, 03:48:51 AM »

And (hashgacha pratis today's daf):
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אין ערור ממית אלא החטא ממית

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That means that if someone is bitten he will die because he has sinned, as you see that R' Channina didn't die from the bite because he is a tzaddik

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2012, 04:35:28 AM »
You mean you really tore kriya? Just askin'..
(not at all trying to ch'v belittle Rav Elyashiv in any way, just a matter of how personal this is -and for who..)
I was unsure if it applies only when attending the levaya. At R Shachs levaya I did tear kriya, as did everyone else there. I did not find out in time, as I was hoping to make it to the levayah (and tear there), however was involved in literal pikuach nefesh at the time and did not go.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2012, 04:39:14 AM »
I assume you say this statement referring to a gadol only, b/c the gemara says that deaths can happen even not 'in their time' if a person puts himself into the situation. (which obviously in not the case here, but you did you the term 'every')
The rishonim discuss this and other questions.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2012, 04:43:38 AM »
If he was killed by phones, it was by the scam artists that created kosher phones, and by all the other menuvalim bcvod hatorah who made up psakim from R Elyashev just so they could make millions

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2012, 04:47:16 AM »
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The Kosher phone was implemented by R Nosson Tzvi Finkel Zt"L. I know this firsthand. I have heard rumors certain features, such as texting, camera, games, etc were removed due to various other pressures.

That's not to say there's no corruption, I even know of a little of it personally.
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