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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #75 on: September 05, 2012, 01:21:56 AM »
Hence the fist fights and legal fights a few months back over the editorial direction of the paper. Hardly seems to be leshem shamayim

On the plus side, this will solve the problems of agunas. In most weddings, we can assume that the eidim as well as the entire crowd have a non-kosher phone.
A kula! Yay! :)
I didn't want to post it earlier, but yes this is major hotzas shem raa. The gemara makes special takoonos so people won't think certain circumstances aren't valid kidushin and be matir the wife.

To me the ultimate test is what R Akiva Eiger (etc) would do if he was standing there. And I think he would've publicly condemned this RY.
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« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2012, 02:31:54 AM »
Well, the argument du jour here seems to be that aveiros cause tragedies. Making up all kinds of garbage, then lying and saying a gadol said it, is an aveirah, no? Besides, you yourself just said...Wouldn't you agree that someone who knowingly lies - on a large scale - about what a gadol said, can safely be accused of not appreciating said gadol? One who truly appreciates a gadol would not dare besmirch him like that!

The passuk is talking about something else, "lo yire becha ervas davar" not about kavod, sheker or gezel etc. We can look at what others are doing wrong and hock about it (Daf Yomi last Fri.) or we can look at ourself in the mirror, make the world a better place. I heard from the Rebbe (of Yaroslav) a few years ago that what our generation should work on is "each person should work on their own things". If a gadol says that smart phones are causing tragedies and calamities, if we use them and know what is wrong with them, we can try to do something or we can deflect the criticism by pointing out corruption and foibles in others.


I don't know what the real intentions of all these people are, but maybe they are l'shem Shamayim, just misguided and have negius from mamon or kavod...

I didn't say none of it is money.
Anybody remember the anti kugel posters?
About Yerushalmi Kugel and Pickles! It was awesome!  8)
Reminds me of something I saw recently:
(is it wrong of me to post a youtube video in such a thread?)
IMHO yes.


siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #77 on: September 05, 2012, 08:20:16 AM »
Because according to him they are mamzeriim.
Children born out of wedlock are not mamzeirim
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #78 on: September 05, 2012, 08:51:21 AM »
Children born out of wedlock are not mamzeirim
Re-read it...
Will this RY also not marry the son of a couple married after divorce by such eidem?
Because according to him they are mamzeriim.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2012, 09:12:57 AM »
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #80 on: September 05, 2012, 06:00:07 PM »
Was not. He joined after they released them, and then they made it sound like he was along from the beginning.
There's no point arguing who knows better (won't make much of a difference either way), but just FYI my comment was based on multiple conversations with at least one peer of R NT Finkel, with whom IIRC RNTF consulted regarding this.

I dont recall the exact turn of events (I didn't have a cellphone at all at the time), however it gradually became mainstream after the Kennes which RNTF gathered and cried at.

Today virtually every chariedi Israeli has a kosher phone. A few have both, myself included.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2012, 06:51:09 PM »

Today virtually every chariedi Israeli has a kosher phone. A few Many people - perhaps most - have both, myself included.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2012, 07:23:49 PM »
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2012, 07:25:06 PM »
That's completely not true.
Sorry, but my experience has been otherwise.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2012, 09:27:33 PM »
That's completely not true.
Sorry, but my experience has been otherwise.
Perhaps Moishebatchy has access to what really lies under ppls mattresses  ;)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #85 on: September 06, 2012, 01:06:58 AM »
Today virtually every chariedi Israeli has a kosher phone. A few have both, myself included.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #86 on: September 06, 2012, 01:14:23 AM »
Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
Its cheaper for my friends to call it, and just a cheap phone to have when I need to be on two things at once.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #87 on: September 06, 2012, 03:32:37 AM »
Its cheaper for my friends to call it, and just a cheap phone to have when I need to be on two things at once.


But it has no internet I assume? :)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #88 on: September 06, 2012, 03:35:13 AM »
Perhaps Moishebatchy has access to what really lies under ppls mattresses  ;)
When you see CONSTANTLY see people wearing me'ushar phones on their belt, but furtively pulling out a so-called "treife" phone to answer a text, and this happens MANY times a day - in shul, in yeshiva, at the supermarket, at simchos - for the past FIVE YEARS, you kinda start to feel there's a pattern after a while. Want proof? Just go to any Israel simcha or speech, and count how many people are tap-tap-tapping away under the table.

When I first came to Israel 5 years ago most people - including %95 of my yeshiva - were getting kosher phones... but for one reason only: because they were dirt-cheap compared the the regular ones. True, maybe not everyone had an additional, non-kosher phone, since it was easier to just live without texting for them; but virtually everyone admitted to price being the reason. Almost nobody did it "l'sheim shamayim". And you know what the biggest proof is? Now that someone took the Israeli carriers down a peg, and regular cell service is becoming more and more affordable (think Golan), I see more people with non-kosher phones...

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #89 on: September 06, 2012, 03:46:25 AM »
But it has no internet I assume? :)
The kosher phone? No internet. I have no issue with using internet, evidently. And my BB has internet

A friend of mine wanted to suggest to the קרן לישראל חדשה to give out iPhones to yeshiva bachurim....
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