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Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« on: August 30, 2012, 10:57:08 PM »
Yup!  According to "well known maggid shiur in Mir"
Ra Elyashiv was murdered via bochurim and avreichim using smartphones!

Wait, it's not over! The Shomrei Emunim Rebbe was also murdered!  ::)

Any body here that learns/learnt in Mir familiar with this Maggid Shiur?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 10:59:30 PM »
I thought I asked you already to deposit the chip from your shoulder somewhere
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2012, 11:07:42 PM »
I thought I asked you already to deposit the chip from your shoulder somewhere
???
(side point:) and who are you? :P

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 05:26:46 AM »
Yup!  According to "well known maggid shiur in Mir"
Ra Elyashiv was murdered via bochurim and avreichim using smartphones!

Wait, it's not over! The Shomrei Emunim Rebbe was also murdered!  ::)

Any body here that learns/learnt in Mir familiar with this Maggid Shiur?

Did they catch them yet?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 05:35:44 AM »
Was it Apple or Android?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 09:03:42 AM »
Seriously, what is the joke???

It is a pasuk in Chumash! This is for real!
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 10:10:52 AM »
Seriously, what is the joke???

It is a pasuk in Chumash! This is for real!
ואל תשתמשו בטלפון פן תמות כל גדולי ישראל
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 12:20:02 PM »
ואל תשתמשו בטלפון חכם פן ימותו כל גדולי ישראל
FTFY

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2012, 03:31:52 PM »
Cute.  :P

I don't know what the joke is. Our actions make a difference. Kol Yisroel Areivim zeh lazeh.

Do you really not know what passuk I'm talking about?  :-[
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2012, 03:51:35 PM »
Be realistic: a 100yr old is due to die with or without me having a dirty cellphone.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2012, 03:53:09 PM »
Cute.  :P

I don't know what the joke is. Our actions make a difference. Kol Yisroel Areivim zeh lazeh.

Do you really not know what passuk I'm talking about?  :-[
Of course our actions all have some influence on how the Lord (can that be written?) judges us as a nation. But we have no idea on the exact cause and effect. For all we know he died b/c of ppl throwing rocks at cars on shabbos. But the point is that we don't know, and it doesn't benefit anyone for us to pretend like we know the Lord's 'mind'.
Unless this was a nevuah or ruach hakodesh, but that's a whole different story.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2012, 03:54:02 PM »
Be realistic: a 100yr old is due to die with or without me having a dirty cellphone.
If it's dirty, you should use one of those special soft rags to wipe it down. Otherwise, it'll stop working b/f it should, and it won't look good on dates.

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Re: Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2012, 03:55:58 PM »
Of course our actions all have some influence on how the Lord (can that be written?)
That refers to j-s

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2012, 03:59:36 PM »
Be realistic: a 100yr old is due to die with or without me having a dirty cellphone.
The Rambam has some nasty words to say about someone who thinks like you. I'll post the exact quote later if I have time to find it. It ain't pretty.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2012, 04:00:17 PM »
Be realistic: a 100yr old is due to die with or without me having a dirty cellphone.
as they say in KBP, "so what?"

Of course our actions all have some influence on how the Lord (can that be written?) judges us as a nation. But we have no idea on the exact cause and effect. For all we know he died b/c of ppl throwing rocks at cars on shabbos. But the point is that we don't know, and it doesn't benefit anyone for us to pretend like we know the Lord's 'mind'.
Unless this was a nevuah or ruach hakodesh, but that's a whole different story.
sometimes we don't know, but it is clear that "v'shav meacharecha" is harmful. Klal Yisroel is in a matzav of sakana, on an individual and general level, so many sick people, Hashem Yerachem. When we strengthen ourselves, we bring more protection from the shchina. That is what we know, as maaminim bnei maaminim.

Sometimes it is more clear, the cause and effect is obvious or hinted. I know one case that it was clear but will not go into details here. The point I think is that we need to raise our protection, bring the shchina closer and not chase it away, always and especially at such a critical time.

There are stories of the opposite happening, how someone exerted himself in shemiras einaim and saved a life. When it is obvious, it is obvious, like if at the same time etc.
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2012, 04:01:29 PM »
If it's dirty, you should use one of those special soft rags to wipe it down. Otherwise, it'll stop working b/f it should, and it won't look good on dates.

and leitzanus achas ...

this is seriously talking about nefashos, life and death. ELUL!!!
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2012, 06:27:08 PM »
Just a reminder: this is a secular forum (which accidentally attracted an out-of-proportion crowd of religious hawks), so please be tolerant. Thanks.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2012, 06:33:00 PM »
The Rambam has some nasty words to say about someone who thinks like you. I'll post the exact quote later if I have time to find it. It ain't pretty.
Toisfos and Rabeinu Bachai, to name 2.

But yes, thats an interesting Rambam.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2012, 06:42:28 PM »
This is very strange to me. He was ka"h a very old man and lived a beautiful and fruitful and exemplary life that most people wish they could have - and we are trying to blame his death on something as if he nebach died at 50 in a car accident chas veshalom!! cmon! most gedolim didn't live to be that old and pass away with a clear mind!! he said vidui in his last years many times! he lived a beautiful life and then went on to his rightful place - why ion the world are we trivializing his life and death with nonsence!
so from now on every tzaddik that doesn't live till 120 will be blamed on technology?? what happened before tech

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2012, 06:51:54 PM »
This is very strange to me. He was ka"h a very old man and lived a beautiful and fruitful and exemplary life that most people wish they could have - and we are trying to blame his death on something as if he nebach died at 50 in a car accident chas veshalom!! cmon! most gedolim didn't live to be that old and pass away with a clear mind!! he said vidui in his last years many times! he lived a beautiful life and then went on to his rightful place - why ion the world are we trivializing his life and death with nonsence!
so from now on every tzaddik that doesn't live till 120 will be blamed on technology?? what happened before tech
Youre mixing two things. Wether or not his age is relevant to the matter, is to the best of my knowledge a hashakfic question debated in the Rishonim (unless the Rambam is מודה there is also a קץ קצוב for certain, natural deaths? Not sure)

Assuming it was caused by aviros, which aveira caused it is obviously topic for speculation. The Ramban (end of toras Hashem temima) says it's a Miztvas Essa for one to attempt to understand why GD punishes oneself. So we are obligated to engage in such speculation.

However determining it as a fact requires a נביא.

Wether or not having a smartphone is an aviera is obviously another question. One of my Roshei Yeshiva has an iPhone for example.

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