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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #80 on: September 05, 2012, 06:00:07 PM »
Was not. He joined after they released them, and then they made it sound like he was along from the beginning.
There's no point arguing who knows better (won't make much of a difference either way), but just FYI my comment was based on multiple conversations with at least one peer of R NT Finkel, with whom IIRC RNTF consulted regarding this.

I dont recall the exact turn of events (I didn't have a cellphone at all at the time), however it gradually became mainstream after the Kennes which RNTF gathered and cried at.

Today virtually every chariedi Israeli has a kosher phone. A few have both, myself included.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2012, 06:51:09 PM »

Today virtually every chariedi Israeli has a kosher phone. A few Many people - perhaps most - have both, myself included.

FTFY

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2012, 07:23:49 PM »
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2012, 07:25:06 PM »
That's completely not true.
Sorry, but my experience has been otherwise.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2012, 09:27:33 PM »
That's completely not true.
Sorry, but my experience has been otherwise.
Perhaps Moishebatchy has access to what really lies under ppls mattresses  ;)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #85 on: September 06, 2012, 01:06:58 AM »
Today virtually every chariedi Israeli has a kosher phone. A few have both, myself included.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #86 on: September 06, 2012, 01:14:23 AM »
Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
Its cheaper for my friends to call it, and just a cheap phone to have when I need to be on two things at once.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #87 on: September 06, 2012, 03:32:37 AM »
Its cheaper for my friends to call it, and just a cheap phone to have when I need to be on two things at once.


But it has no internet I assume? :)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #88 on: September 06, 2012, 03:35:13 AM »
Perhaps Moishebatchy has access to what really lies under ppls mattresses  ;)
When you see CONSTANTLY see people wearing me'ushar phones on their belt, but furtively pulling out a so-called "treife" phone to answer a text, and this happens MANY times a day - in shul, in yeshiva, at the supermarket, at simchos - for the past FIVE YEARS, you kinda start to feel there's a pattern after a while. Want proof? Just go to any Israel simcha or speech, and count how many people are tap-tap-tapping away under the table.

When I first came to Israel 5 years ago most people - including %95 of my yeshiva - were getting kosher phones... but for one reason only: because they were dirt-cheap compared the the regular ones. True, maybe not everyone had an additional, non-kosher phone, since it was easier to just live without texting for them; but virtually everyone admitted to price being the reason. Almost nobody did it "l'sheim shamayim". And you know what the biggest proof is? Now that someone took the Israeli carriers down a peg, and regular cell service is becoming more and more affordable (think Golan), I see more people with non-kosher phones...

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #89 on: September 06, 2012, 03:46:25 AM »
But it has no internet I assume? :)
The kosher phone? No internet. I have no issue with using internet, evidently. And my BB has internet

A friend of mine wanted to suggest to the קרן לישראל חדשה to give out iPhones to yeshiva bachurim....
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2012, 04:08:39 AM »
The kosher phone? No internet. I have no issue with using internet, evidently. And my BB has internet

A friend of mine wanted to suggest to the קרן לישראל חדשה to give out iPhones to yeshiva bachurim....

Like!

(Just kidding. I'm not THAT crazy.)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2012, 06:20:40 AM »
The kosher phone? No internet. I have no issue with using internet, evidently. And my BB has internet
But why have both is the treif one has internet. Doesnt it defeat the purpose of the kosher one?

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2012, 06:39:29 AM »
But why have both is the treif one has internet. Doesnt it defeat the purpose of the kosher one?

No, it doesn't. Because as I pointed out, the true purpose of a kosher phone (for many people) is just to get cheaper phone service. So that purpose is accomplished beautifully, while the secondary phone can be used for text/Internet.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #93 on: September 06, 2012, 06:58:37 AM »
No, it doesn't. Because as I pointed out, the true purpose of a kosher phone (for many people) is just to get cheaper phone service. So that purpose is accomplished beautifully, while the secondary phone can be used for text/Internet.
:)
I was referring to the stated reason.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #94 on: September 06, 2012, 06:59:21 AM »
:)
I was referring to the stated reason.
Well, those who get it for the stated reason, don't get a secondary phone.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2012, 08:34:01 AM »
The kosher phone? No internet. I have no issue with using internet, evidently. And my BB has internet

A friend of mine wanted to suggest to the קרן לישראל חדשה to give out iPhones to yeshiva bachurim....

Chas V'Shalom!  :o :o

My Rav told me to get a Kosher phone - to switch from my old one, so that is why I did it. It actually was more expensive. I had an Orange Shabbat plan, ZERO monthly fee, 60 minutes to Orange FREE each month. I got a kosher cellcom, 10 shek monthly fee, no free minutes. Instead of guessing why ppl have kosher phones, you can ask them and maybe when they are scratching their head, it is because it is itchy, not because they have a non-kosher bluetooth headpiece.
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #96 on: September 06, 2012, 08:39:36 AM »
Chas V'Shalom!  :o :o

My Rav told me to get a Kosher phone - to switch from my old one, so that is why I did it. It actually was more expensive. I had an Orange Shabbat plan, ZERO monthly fee, 60 minutes to Orange FREE each month. I got a kosher cellcom, 10 shek monthly fee, no free minutes.
In your particular case, you happened to have the bad luck that your former plan was a very good one. Most people did not start out on such a good plan - for them, switching to kosher is an upgrade in terms of pricing.
Instead of guessing why ppl have kosher phones, you can ask them and maybe when they are scratching their head, it is because it is itchy, not because they have a non-kosher bluetooth headpiece.

Oh, so now Bluetooth is treif too? Didn't know it could pic-to-speech inappropriate images to you...

(For the record, some newer kosher phones do have BT support.)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #97 on: September 06, 2012, 08:45:04 AM »
No, I'm talking about a bt device like the bt gloves but with internet etc.

Just because some ppl do not follow daas Torah and do whatever they want doesn't meant that everyone is like that.
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #98 on: September 06, 2012, 09:06:23 AM »
Just because some ppl do not follow daas Torah and do whatever they want doesn't meant that everyone is like that.
Not e/o's 'daas torah' is the same...

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #99 on: September 06, 2012, 10:09:34 AM »
@shmuellb
How do you post on DDF?
You have voice-to-text on your kosher phone that let you post here?
Cool technology!
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