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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #120 on: September 10, 2012, 10:22:37 PM »
My RY used to say over a story that a jew once spoke in learning with the GRA, and he said "efsher rashi hut gemacht a ta'us" - maybe rashi made a mistake - they put him in a contraption outside the main shul of vilna that you can't move your hands or feet, and the whole vilna spit at him on their way into mincha.
#justsaying
Sounds fit for Litte ;)

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #121 on: September 10, 2012, 10:23:34 PM »
Michelle has 2 daughters, one is named Malia and the second one Sasha.
#justsying
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #122 on: September 10, 2012, 10:31:23 PM »
Michelle has 2 daughters, one is named Malia and the second one Sasha.
#justsying
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #123 on: September 10, 2012, 10:32:24 PM »
Michelle has 2 daughters, one is named Malia and the second one Sasha.
#justsying
+1 ???

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #124 on: September 10, 2012, 10:33:13 PM »
wrong thread for shidduch ::) i think?

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Re: Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #125 on: September 10, 2012, 10:33:35 PM »
Michelle has 2 daughters, one is named Malia and the second one Sasha.
#justsying
and they have a dog named bo
#justsaying
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #126 on: September 10, 2012, 11:08:54 PM »
What's the ???
He posted a story with no relevance here.
Who gave a heter for that hit to smash the phone? The Gr"a?? That story your RY told you?
 And Btw, I don't know your RY, but I'd give it a 99% chance that his story of the Gr"a is not true (not that he make things up, could be he heard/read it from a non-reliable source.
Anyone here believe the Gr"a was ready to be mevayesh a person by such a nasty way just for a mouth-glitch? Tell me about!
I'd like to take a poll and see how many ppl believe this story.
Do you really think the Gr"a did it?? Come on!
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #127 on: September 11, 2012, 12:02:33 AM »
What's the ???
He posted a story with no relevance here.
Who gave a heter for that hit to smash the phone? The Gr"a?? That story your RY told you?
 And Btw, I don't know your RY, but I'd give it a 99% chance that his story of the Gr"a is not true (not that he make things up, could be he heard/read it from a non-reliable source.
Anyone here believe the Gr"a was ready to be mevayesh a person by such a nasty way just for a mouth-glitch? Tell me about!
I'd like to take a poll and see how many ppl believe this story.
Do you really think the Gr"a did it?? Come on!
Dude, you obviously have zero clue about the history of jews in Europe, this spit contraption was in front of alot  of shuls  and used frequently.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #128 on: September 11, 2012, 12:04:39 AM »
so was the guillotine

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #129 on: September 11, 2012, 12:49:22 AM »
Dude, you obviously have zero clue about the history of jews in Europe, this spit contraption was in front of alot  of shuls  and used frequently.

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not, but I do know a little about the history of Jews in Europe (albeit not Litta), and this is the first I've  heard of such a thing.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #130 on: September 11, 2012, 02:15:41 AM »
Dude, you obviously have zero clue about the history of jews in Europe, this spit contraption was in front of alot  of shuls  and used frequently.

For a slip of the tongue?! I don't believe it either.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #131 on: September 11, 2012, 08:30:48 AM »
I'm not sure if you're being serious or not, but I do know a little about the history of Jews in Europe (albeit not Litta), and this is the first I've  heard of such a thing.
I've heard of the 'contraption' (the name escapes me at the moment), and it was a common form of punishement.
For a slip of the tongue?! I don't believe it either.
Obviously it wasnt perceived as just "A slip of the tongue" rather it showed an underlying attitude to Rishonim, which in Vilna would be seen as heresy.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #132 on: September 11, 2012, 08:33:29 AM »
.Obviously it wasnt perceived as just "A slip of the tongue" rather it showed an underlying attitude to Rishonim, which in Vilna would be seen as heresy.
It is not a slip of the tongue if someone says "efshar Rashi .."

That is a clear insight into his zooy brain. If the story is true or not, I don't know. The reaction to such a person should depend on the matzav, chanoch l'naar al pi darko. Sometimes you need to use your left hand more than your right. If it is a true story, that means that the GR"A knew that that  is what had to be done.
siyag lachachma :-)

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Re: Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #133 on: September 11, 2012, 08:33:46 AM »
For a slip of the tongue?! I don't believe it either.


I don't know if the Gra did this or not. I would like to say no. But I do know the way they teach us about great people in general is that they were always right and always kind and they would never do such a thing when that's def not the case IMHO.
I also believe that these stories don't always reach us the exact way they actually happened. And that some may be completely false period.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #134 on: September 11, 2012, 08:35:47 AM »
I've heard of the 'contraption' (the name escapes me at the moment), and it was a common form of punishement.

I believe it was called "stocks".

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #135 on: September 11, 2012, 08:45:17 AM »
I believe it was called "stocks".
I don't believe thats what it was, in my understanding it was more like a cage.


I don't know if the Gra did this or not. I would like to say no. But I do know the way they teach us about great people in general is that they were always right and always kind and they would never do such a thing when that's def not the case IMHO.

Case in point, the Cherem on Chassidim

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #136 on: September 11, 2012, 01:08:23 PM »
IIRC, the story I wrote about the GR"A was written by the person who got punished himself, in a book that he wrote about his travels across Europe, IIRC he says many shvachim about the GR"A who he had the privilege of meeting, he spoke to the GR"A about the translation of "Ditzah" which IIRC Rashi says means simcha, that's when he made his remark, IIRC, the story is also in the avrohom ben avrohom book, and in the book "HaGaon". If any of the DDF professional researchers/Googlers can find the name of the book where this story is told, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #137 on: September 11, 2012, 01:24:33 PM »
The story of the golem has been published in many books as well. That doesn't make it any more true.

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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #138 on: September 11, 2012, 01:39:48 PM »
@Reuven, you brilliance overwhelms me. You make such smart comments. You're my favorite DDFer.
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Re: Was Rav Elyashiv murdered??!
« Reply #139 on: September 11, 2012, 01:44:15 PM »
@Reuven, you brilliance overwhelms me. You make such smart comments. You're my favorite DDFer.
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