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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2013, 04:49:08 PM »
It's kind of crazy how they linked you and your neibour. I guess when they look into things they go so far to think that similar addresses might be the same person.
yup were off by one number

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2013, 07:30:56 PM »
Hmm. Wonder if he can sue them for sharing his info with you?

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2013, 07:48:17 PM »
Hmm. Wonder if he can sue them for sharing his info with you?
wana be my lawer

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2013, 10:01:13 PM »
to many returns and zappos credit that I got for free (I had 150 that I never used when they shut me down)but they only gave me a warning that I will not get any more courtesies from them and 2 weeks later they shut me down but the weird part about it was they linked me up with a neighbor who used to just call them and drive them crazy (in the email they send me it had my email and my neighbors email and it had his name not mine)I then tried to get my account back a couple of times and that's when they blocked my number
Could your wife open an account with them?

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2013, 10:39:46 PM »
Could your wife open an account with them?
I highly doubt she would be able to.
Unless she uses her maiden name, different address and CC, and if any of that info was used on his account they will probably catch it.

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2013, 10:57:41 PM »
I highly doubt she would be able to.
Unless she uses her maiden name, different address and CC, and if any of that info was used on his account they will probably catch it.
I'm just curious to know how far would they go to prevent people from getting back on board.

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2013, 11:03:56 PM »
Amazon is not gonna 'shut you down' (like google wallet). they are trying to get massive market share. even at a loss. They some products below wholesale just to 'beat the market'.
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What are you smoking?!?
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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2013, 11:21:08 PM »
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What are you smoking?!?

obviously if you abuse the system with ridiculous request they will but for a few returns I dont think they will. I my self have returned numerous items and never had an issue. Its like anything else..... If you truly abuse for no reason they will shut you down.

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2013, 12:50:26 AM »
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What are you smoking?!?
-10. I'll have what he's having.
Regardless of whether or not Amazon will shut you down for abuse, Dave321 is right. Amazon has shown time and time again its willingness to sell at razor thin margins and sometimes even below cost to gain market share.
Take a look at their most recent 10-K. Amazon lost money on their Prime subscribers and they lose money on every Kindle Fire they sell.
When Amazon reported their first quarter of profitability after the dot-com bust, Jeff Bezos admitted that it was a mistake.
Their business strategy is referred to as the Amazon Doctrine. Read up on it.

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2013, 01:22:44 AM »
Could your wife open an account with them?
not married but I plan on opening another account when I go upstate for the summer

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2013, 12:27:41 AM »
-10. I'll have what he's having.
Regardless of whether or not Amazon will shut you down for abuse, Dave321 is right. Amazon has shown time and time again its willingness to sell at razor thin margins and sometimes even below cost to gain market share.
Take a look at their most recent 10-K. Amazon lost money on their Prime subscribers and they lose money on every Kindle Fire they sell.
When Amazon reported their first quarter of profitability after the dot-com bust, Jeff Bezos admitted that it was a mistake.
Their business strategy is referred to as the Amazon Doctrine. Read up on it.

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thats what i like, someone that knows facts..... not just assumes things.
thank you

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2013, 08:45:26 AM »
Got this on one of my accounts:

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Hello,

We're writing to apologize for the number of issues you've experienced with your shipments. Your correspondences with us indicate you've required refunds on a majority of orders for a number of reasons.

Through the normal course of business, the occasional problem is inevitable. However, you seem to have had an unusually high rate of problems in your account history.

When unusual account activity such as this comes to our attention, we'll evaluate each account on a case-by-case basis to determine if additional action is necessary, including closing the account.

We’d prefer to work with you to avoid that inconvenience, as we do value your business.

If you have any questions in the future regarding your account, please write to us directly at cis@amazon.com.

We appreciate your cooperation and understanding.

Best regards,

Account Specialist.

Of course, I've been abusing them. Will be extremely cautious from here on.
I can of course use my other accounts. I don't think they've discovered that part yet. I assume they will if they will want to shut down my account. If I'll abuse them, it'll gotta be on my other accounts. My 3 other accounts. The email was sent after I got them to give me free next-day shipping once again. First rep refused, saying that I've done it many times already. Second rep, gave it to me right away. The last in a long chain of abuses....

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2013, 09:44:07 AM »
@moshe123 not impressed.

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2013, 10:27:36 AM »
I've read numerous accounts on other online forums where Amazon customers were banned and Amazon hunted down and systematically closed any other accounts the customer had previously as well as any new accounts they opened after being banned. The new accounts opened post-banning sometimes took a few days or week(s) before they caught it. And while I read of a very small number of account holders who were able to convince Amazon (a special team - as regular customer service reps cannot do anything) to reinstate their account, the vast majority reported that they ran into a brick wall with Amazon ignoring their requests and leaving the ban in place.

What it takes to get banned I don't know, but wish I did since it makes any Amazon customer aware of this phenomenon nervous about any return or request for credit, even legitimate. How often it happens I also doubt anyone outside of Amazon knows.

I would assume they use a combination of some or all of the following attributes to match accounts to a single identity:

Name
Address
E-Mail Address
Phone number
Credit Card number(s)
IP Address logging into account

The last one is quite powerful. You might change the spelling of your name or use a fake or family members name and email/phone plus use a different physical address (if you're lucky enough to have easy access to receiving shipments at a different address never before used on the old account - since if you ever ship to any address (or save a credit card or phone, etc.) ever associated with the old account, you will let Amazon catch you) and a brand-new never before used credit card. But your home and/or work IP address does not change too often. And you are more likely than not to login to your new Amazon account with an IP address you previously used to login to your old (banned) Amazon account. Of course while Amazon is well aware that some IP addresses are (legitimately) used by completely unrelated account holders (different employees at work, public computers, dynamic IPs, etc.), they likely use powerful algorithms to make an educated decision based upon the IP, name, address, frequency the old and new accounts used an IP (and whether other accounts previously used that IP) and other factors in determining whether they think it is the same, banned, customer.

Presumably if you use all of the following

*new name
*new address
*new e-mail address
*new phone number
*new credit card
*new IP address

and are extremely cautious to never (even mistakenly or absent-mindedly) enter or otherwise associate with your new account any name, shipping address, or credit card ever used with the old account --- and you are sure to never login to your new account from an IP used to login to the old account, you increase the likelihood Amazon won't get you.
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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2013, 11:44:29 AM »
I've also read numerous old accounts but from the above quoted email it looks like amazon has changed there approach to first give a warning and offer to work things out.

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2013, 11:54:34 AM »
I've also read numerous old accounts but from the above quoted email it looks like amazon has changed there approach to first give a warning and offer to work things out.

Basically, I know that my next step is a ban which is why I'm not going to be able to ask for goodies on this account.
I don't think that they've reached the level of researching for my other accounts. Otherwise, I'd have been banned already....

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2013, 11:58:22 AM »
Basically, I know that my next step is a ban which is why I'm not going to be able to ask for goodies on this account.
I don't think that they've reached the level of researching for my other accounts. Otherwise, I'd have been banned already....
What have you done on your other accounts (how many have you got?) that you think they'd have banned you if they knew?

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2013, 12:08:48 PM »
What have you done on your other accounts (how many have you got?) that you think they'd have banned you if they knew?

Basically, the reason why I have multiple accounts is A) Amazon payments, B) split the returns... C) take advantage of whatever new promo...

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2013, 12:12:57 PM »
Basically, the reason why I have multiple accounts is A) Amazon payments, B) split the returns... C) take advantage of whatever new promo...
How do you benefit with Amazon Payments by having more than one account?
How often do you return?
What kind of promos are limited to one per account?

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Re: amazon returns
« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2013, 12:20:24 PM »
How do you benefit with Amazon Payments by having more than one account?
How often do you return?
What kind of promos are limited to one per account?

I'll only answer the second question.
Not infrequently. The major issues were I assume the partial refunds, always getting free next-day shipping and promo credits.