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« Last edited by YMW on February 04, 2016, 09:16:35 PM »

Author Topic: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread  (Read 63510 times)

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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #140 on: April 10, 2013, 07:55:14 PM »
Why not?!
As do not most airlines. They don't want to promote award tickets...
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #141 on: April 10, 2013, 08:05:59 PM »
O class doesn't exist in as a paid ticket

I see that you cannot purchase an F ticket on that route (or at least I cannot bring it up on ITA matrix), but that route is operated by an A380, which definitely does have F seats.

Do they just keep it empty  ???

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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #142 on: April 10, 2013, 08:07:21 PM »
I see that you cannot purchase an F ticket on that route (or at least I cannot bring it up on ITA matrix), but that route is operated by an A380, which definitely does have F seats.

Do they just keep it empty  ???
You once told me, even though it doesn't show it could still be there.

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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #143 on: April 10, 2013, 08:07:24 PM »
TG does not publish O inventory to GDS/EF

1) That wouldn't (shouldn't?) prevent the flight from showing up at all under award search; and
2) It (the flight), as I said above, shows up on on 5/19 (which proves #1).
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #144 on: April 10, 2013, 08:11:03 PM »
1) That wouldn't (shouldn't?) prevent the flight from showing up at all under award search; and
2) It (the flight), as I said above, shows up on on 5/19 (which proves #1).
Often flights arent returned at all when there is no inventory available
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #145 on: April 10, 2013, 08:12:03 PM »
TG does not publish O inventory to GDS/EF

And thirdly, you sure?

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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #146 on: April 10, 2013, 08:12:41 PM »
Often flights arent returned at all when there is no inventory available

Perhaps so, but then how does one set an alert for a flight they cannot pull up?
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #147 on: April 10, 2013, 08:13:30 PM »
As do not most airlines. They don't want to promote award tickets...

What's that mean?

TG publishes O (see above), LH definitely publishes O, UA publishes O, etc etc
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #148 on: April 10, 2013, 08:16:42 PM »
Perhaps so, but then how does one set an alert for a flight they cannot pull up?

EF believes such things are not their problem:

That is how LY responded to your search query, we can only suggest the search paramaters to the airline in these cases, they can respond however they want.

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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #149 on: April 10, 2013, 08:18:32 PM »
What's that mean?

TG publishes O (see above), LH definitely publishes O, UA publishes O, etc etc
Whenever EF says Yes/No it's pulled from UA award search. He insists he isnt scraping so I guess he has an agreement with UA.

Thats TG publisihing to Star Net, not to the GDS.

Youll notice when you search UA it doesnt return flights without availability, so EF doesnt either.
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #150 on: April 10, 2013, 09:44:22 PM »
So why am I paying for EF instead of KVS if I cannot even set alerts for the flights I want?

I mean, if I have to manually search, why not go with KVS which has significantly more airlines? And presumably none of these issues?

I don't mean to provoke, but as a rational consumer, I'd curious.
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #151 on: April 10, 2013, 09:47:57 PM »
Whenever EF says Yes/No it's pulled from UA award search. He insists he isnt scraping so I guess he has an agreement with UA.

Thats TG publisihing to Star Net, not to the GDS.

Youll notice when you search UA it doesnt return flights without availability, so EF doesnt either.
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #152 on: April 10, 2013, 10:02:28 PM »
So why am I paying for EF instead of KVS if I cannot even set alerts for the flights I want?

I mean, if I have to manually search, why not go with KVS which has significantly more airlines? And presumably none of these issues?

I don't mean to provoke, but as a rational consumer, I'd curious.

You can set the alert manually by inputting the flight number
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #153 on: April 10, 2013, 10:06:08 PM »
You can set the alert manually by inputting the flight number

And so it is.

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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #154 on: April 10, 2013, 11:47:19 PM »
And thirdly, you sure?



That O is award UPGRADE, not a paid class
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #155 on: April 10, 2013, 11:50:18 PM »
I see that you cannot purchase an F ticket on that route (or at least I cannot bring it up on ITA matrix), but that route is operated by an A380, which definitely does have F seats.

Do they just keep it empty  ???
HUH?
there is F class on the KVS

It can be bought, matrix is not always correct, so true it's not picking  it up, but there is F class
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #156 on: April 10, 2013, 11:52:38 PM »
For the Record there are airlines that Do publish "O" as inventory ticketsm, namely AA, LY, QF etc. it's not only an award inventoy letter
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #157 on: April 11, 2013, 12:04:03 AM »
That O is award UPGRADE, not a paid class

Therefore?

I was simply saying that EF does show O (which is award/upgrade) inventory.

HUH?
there is F class on the KVS

It can be bought, matrix is not always correct, so true it's not picking  it up, but there is F class

First time I've seen it. Kayak did show F class on that route, and as I said, I know the A380 has F, which is why I was confused.
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #158 on: April 11, 2013, 12:09:01 AM »
First time I've seen it. Kayak did show F class on that route, and as I said, I know the A380 has F, which is why I was confused.

ITA wipes out F on alot of SQ flight. no clue why.

They still have a long way to go to be fully accurate... I see their glitches at least 2-3 times a day.
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Re: ExpertFlyer.com - Master Information and Updates Thread
« Reply #159 on: April 11, 2013, 12:10:01 AM »
Good to know.

What do you use? Anything similar?
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