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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #135 on: September 12, 2013, 01:44:58 PM »
If and when this war ever ends for America, things should go back to how they were.
Not gonna happen.

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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #136 on: September 12, 2013, 01:50:22 PM »
Not gonna happen.
+1.
If you don't understand how PH is intrinsically different than 9/11 then I'm speechless.
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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #137 on: September 12, 2013, 01:56:52 PM »
Diff Enemy, Diff times, Diff methods, Diff ideals, but the idea is that now we are at war, we are scared so we allow more freedoms to be taken away as a country. This has been done numerous times since Lincoln and maybe even earlier. However just because now it doesn't seem to be that way, should America ever find itself not at war with the radical muslims (s/t Mr. Obama seems to be working very hard to accomplish at all costs) there is no reason to assume that security will not become more lax.
Two reasons actually to assume it will,
1. cost of operating such high(?) standards
2. loss of privacy (rights)

In fact we are already beginning to see some push back in regards to point 2.
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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #138 on: September 12, 2013, 01:58:26 PM »
“You see things; you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?”

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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #139 on: September 12, 2013, 01:59:50 PM »
Diff Enemy, Diff times, Diff methods, Diff ideals, but the idea is that now we are at war, we are scared so we allow more freedoms to be taken away as a country. This has been done numerous times since Lincoln and maybe even earlier. However just because now it doesn't seem to be that way, should America ever find itself not at war with the radical muslims (s/t Mr. Obama seems to be working very hard to accomplish at all costs) there is no reason to assume that security will not become more lax.
Two reasons actually to assume it will,
1. cost of operating such high(?) standards
2. loss of privacy (rights)

In fact we are already beginning to see some push back in regards to point 2.
Unfortunately, this isn't a war we can ever win.
It's nothing like any conventional war in the past.  Japan was bombed to defeat, life went back to normal.

If you really think life is going to go back to normal and we'll be boarding airplanes without security checks once again then you're delusional.  This isn't a war we can win.
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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #140 on: September 12, 2013, 02:20:31 PM »
Unfortunately, this isn't a war we can ever win.
It's nothing like any conventional war in the past.  Japan was bombed to defeat, life went back to normal.

If you really think life is going to go back to normal and we'll be boarding airplanes without security checks once again then you're delusional.  This isn't a war we can win.
We may not ever win, but we could get to a point where Americans decide that our economy and Freedom is more important to us than the 'War on Terror'.
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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #141 on: September 12, 2013, 02:31:36 PM »
We may not ever win, but we could get to a point where Americans decide that our economy and Freedom is more important to us than the 'War on Terror'.
And then what? life goes back to the pre-9/11 normal?

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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #142 on: September 12, 2013, 02:39:58 PM »
And then what? life goes back to the pre-9/11 normal?
Not pre 9/11 but not the craziness it is now either.
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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #143 on: September 12, 2013, 02:40:12 PM »
And then what? life goes back to the pre-9/11 normal?
Maybe not exactly but some of the major restrictions may be lifted. Security checks lessened. CMMIW but already they are not as intense as immediately post 9/11. As time goes on some things have been added as a response to new developments (liquids were not prohibited at first) but others have become more lax.
The determining factor IMO will be what is a cost effective way to provide adequate security. If something will give security but cost too much it will not be implemented. If it will be a cheap solution (machines vs. humans) than it prob will stay even if the threat level isn't as great.
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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #144 on: September 12, 2013, 02:41:56 PM »
Maybe not exactly but some of the major restrictions may be lifted. Security checks lessened. CMMIW but already they are not as intense as immediately post 9/11. As time goes on some things have been added as a response to new developments (liquids were not prohibited at first) but others have become more lax.
The determining factor IMO will be what is a cost effective way to provide adequate security. If something will give security but cost too much it will not be implemented. If it will be a cheap solution (machines vs. humans) than it prob will stay even if the threat level isn't as great.
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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #145 on: September 12, 2013, 02:44:28 PM »
Right, because if decide that the war on terror is costing us too much and we need to end it the terrorists will just lay down their weapons...

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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #146 on: September 12, 2013, 02:45:12 PM »
Unfortunately, this isn't a war we can ever win.
It's nothing like any conventional war in the past.  Japan was bombed to defeat, life went back to normal.

If you really think life is going to go back to normal and we'll be boarding airplanes without security checks once again then you're delusional.  This isn't a war we can win.
And you're right about this point, even if we somehow beat the radical muslims and their ideology they have sparked and idea of how to hit someone you don't like who is much more powerful than you.
Right, because if decide that the war on terror is costing us too much and we need to end it the terrorists will just lay down their weapons...
So the war will never end in the sense that ppl will hate and look for ways to harm. Therefore I do not believe we will be able to board planes w/o security checks in place. But the process may be modified due to costs and public outrage against invasion of privacy. At least until the next time America is attacked...
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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #147 on: September 12, 2013, 02:50:01 PM »
But the process may be modified due to costs and public outrage against invasion of privacy.
I don't think anybody disagrees with that, but the fact remains that
it totally changed America's perspective on terrorism, national security etc.

Exactly what programs are in place and how intrusive they are will fluctuate, but the country has changed forever. And I don't believe that's something that can be said about the Kennedy assassination.

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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #148 on: September 12, 2013, 02:54:23 PM »
Maybe not exactly but some of the major restrictions may be lifted. Security checks lessened. CMMIW but already they are not as intense as immediately post 9/11.
-1. I have no idea what you're talking about. And I flew in the weeks before and after 9/11.

Now we can't bring liquids through, we take off our shoes, we allow the government to see through our very clothes just to board a plane.  In NYC you even have to state your name ::)
None of that was true on 09/20/11.

Aside for precheck, the TSA has only gotten crazier as time goes on.
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Re: Where were you on September 11, 2001?
« Reply #149 on: September 12, 2013, 02:59:59 PM »
-1. I have no idea what you're talking about. And I flew in the weeks before and after 9/11.

Now we can't bring liquids through, we take off our shoes, we allow the government to see through our very clothes just to board a plane.  In NYC you even have to state your name ::)
None of that was true on 09/20/11.

Aside for precheck, the TSA has only gotten crazier as time goes on.
Those all got added as a result of other ppl trying new shtick. (underwear bomber, bomb in shoe, liquid explosives etc.)
But aren't some of the restrictions that were added being pulled back a little? some airports do not require removing shoes, you can bring (slightly) larger containers of liquids. You can now bring small scissors on board. (really small)
The extreme measures go in effect for a while and then are brought back down when they are too crazy.
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