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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6940 on: May 20, 2022, 08:51:46 AM »
let the record reflect that were at $792.
I still appreciate when people share their thoughts especially since now would make a bigger should I moment
went back in (TSLA) at about 700, exited now just in case.

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6941 on: May 20, 2022, 09:00:55 AM »
Yup, the classic:

If you lose 10% and then gain 10% youre down 1%.
If you gain 10% and then lose 10% youre also down 1%.

Where did that 1% go? ::)

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This is only for people who don't understand the מלגב/מלבר concept. It is not "harder" to go 50 to 100 than 100 to 50.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6942 on: May 20, 2022, 09:17:13 AM »
Is today a good entry point for SAVE considering the JetBlue offer?
If JetBlue deal goes thru it's 30 per share and if frontier goes thru it's $25 per share approx
Now the price is 19

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6943 on: May 20, 2022, 10:40:15 AM »
went back in (TSLA) at about 700, exited now just in case.
You exited now, why? If TSLA was a fair buy for you at 700, now you have additional discount. My cost basis on TSLA is 738 (varied spread).

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6944 on: May 20, 2022, 11:04:01 AM »
You exited now, why? If TSLA was a fair buy for you at 700, now you have additional discount. My cost basis on TSLA is 738 (varied spread).
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6945 on: May 20, 2022, 11:04:59 AM »
You exited now, why? If TSLA was a fair buy for you at 700, now you have additional discount. My cost basis on TSLA is 738 (varied spread).
bought at 703, exited at 728 and will buy back if it gets to around 550

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6946 on: May 20, 2022, 11:33:58 AM »
Sorry to sound crass, but if this monkeypox thing starts spreading more which bio stocks are good to buy?

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6947 on: May 20, 2022, 11:36:06 AM »
Sorry to sound crass, but if this monkeypox thing starts spreading more which bio stocks are good to buy?
maybe IYH

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6948 on: May 20, 2022, 12:36:04 PM »
It's not a month yet. It's not fair to jump to conclusions yet. The stock could be over $1000 at that point.

ETA: And anyone who bought NFLX is not doing much better. It's down about 18% since then.
checking in again.  I actually feel terrible if you got in then. not here to rub it in, just to bring awareness not to take stock tips on forums very literal.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6949 on: May 20, 2022, 01:39:31 PM »
went back in (TSLA) at about 700, exited now just in case.
Lucky.

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6950 on: May 20, 2022, 02:29:12 PM »
Entirely foreseeable that TSLA hits ~100 range and ultimately goes bankrupt. Been saying so while Musk was still considered liberal. Tesla has been a wild bet for a while.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6951 on: May 20, 2022, 04:23:01 PM »
Entirely foreseeable that TSLA hits ~100 range and ultimately goes bankrupt. Been saying so while Musk was still considered liberal. Tesla has been a wild bet for a while.
How do you see that happening? Their financials are incredible and continue getting better with every passing quarter. They have almost no debt.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6952 on: May 20, 2022, 06:23:47 PM »
Entirely foreseeable that TSLA hits ~100 range and ultimately goes bankrupt. Been saying so while Musk was still considered liberal. Tesla has been a wild bet for a while.

Absolutely possible. Tesla has been "cool" for a long time and counting on that to last is risky (bet on the brand). We're long past the Model 3 appeal to middle market consumers at Avalon prices (bet on growing market share). Teslas are very expensive to repair after the slightest bit of damage and a hassle to get service from the company (bet on customer feedback). The infrastructure for massive amounts of electric cars does not exist, and tesla is not investing enough anymore to support massive growth (bet on continued adoption growth).

On top of all that, electricity prices have become extremely volatile recently, states are starting to write legislation for electric cars to pay road taxes (stop freeloadin, ya bums), full self driving tech is still not a real feature, Elon is disenfranchising a large percentage of "green" folks with his politics, and its only a matter of time before another company comes out with a better product (the mustang ev is almost it).

Fame and fortune are fickle, and TSLA can go down as far and as fast as it came up in 2020

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6953 on: May 20, 2022, 07:21:21 PM »
Absolutely possible. Tesla has been "cool" for a long time and counting on that to last is risky (bet on the brand). We're long past the Model 3 appeal to middle market consumers at Avalon prices (bet on growing market share). Teslas are very expensive to repair after the slightest bit of damage and a hassle to get service from the company (bet on customer feedback). The infrastructure for massive amounts of electric cars does not exist, and tesla is not investing enough anymore to support massive growth (bet on continued adoption growth).

On top of all that, electricity prices have become extremely volatile recently, states are starting to write legislation for electric cars to pay road taxes (stop freeloadin, ya bums), full self driving tech is still not a real feature, Elon is disenfranchising a large percentage of "green" folks with his politics, and its only a matter of time before another company comes out with a better product (the mustang ev is almost it).

Fame and fortune are fickle, and TSLA can go down as far and as fast as it came up in 2020
I don't have time to go through everything now, but almost everything is dead wrong. As far as the last paragraph, tesla didn't move like that in 2020 on a whim. It was around then that tesla proved they can be profitable without regulatory credits, proving all the naysayers wrong.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6954 on: May 21, 2022, 10:18:08 PM »
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6955 on: May 21, 2022, 11:15:41 PM »
How do you see that happening? Their financials are incredible and continue getting better with every passing quarter. They have almost no debt.
They only exist by selling cars for less than it cost them to make. Get by with temporary carbon credits profits & etc. The entire valuation is based on future speculation, and even that is way beyond what one can reasonably assume they will profit by selling cars. One day market participants can stop speculating so and it becomes worthless.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6956 on: May 21, 2022, 11:54:51 PM »
Absolutely possible. Tesla has been "cool" for a long time and counting on that to last is risky (bet on the brand). We're long past the Model 3 appeal to middle market consumers at Avalon prices (bet on growing market share). Teslas are very expensive to repair after the slightest bit of damage and a hassle to get service from the company (bet on customer feedback). The infrastructure for massive amounts of electric cars does not exist, and tesla is not investing enough anymore to support massive growth (bet on continued adoption growth).

On top of all that, electricity prices have become extremely volatile recently, states are starting to write legislation for electric cars to pay road taxes (stop freeloadin, ya bums), full self driving tech is still not a real feature, Elon is disenfranchising a large percentage of "green" folks with his politics, and its only a matter of time before another company comes out with a better product (the mustang ev is almost it).

Fame and fortune are fickle, and TSLA can go down as far and as fast as it came up in 2020
Brand - I don't care for it, don't need it to be cool.

Growth - It's been growing as fast as they can build cars

Customer Feedback - Yes, Tesla's CS is terrible. It's gotten better, but way too slowly. This is definitely something they should work on, and hopefully soon it will be a priority. The change in mindset from EOQ rush to not worrying about how many cars can be rammed out the door each quarter is a step in the right direction IMO. One of the issues they have is lack of spare parts because they'd rather put them into a vehicle they can deliver.

Continued adoption - EV adoption is increasing at a dizzying speed, if you don't see it yet, you'll see it within a few years when most new cars are electric.

Electricity prices are still a fraction of the cost of gas. Even if they doubled and there was a few cents per mile surcharge to make up for the gas tax loss, it would still be cheaper than gas. Gas prices are way more volatile than electricity.

FSD is barely accounted for in current valuation models. Same goes for energy storage, insurance, optimus robot, and more.

Green folks - Yes, some of them no longer like Elon.

Better Product - I'm still waiting for it, especially at a cheaper price. No one can beat Tesla margins, not even with ICE cars. Tesla can always price more aggressively when "The competition comes"
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6957 on: May 21, 2022, 11:58:18 PM »
They only exist by selling cars for less than it cost them to make. Get by with temporary carbon credits profits & etc. The entire valuation is based on future speculation, and even that is way beyond what one can reasonably assume they will profit by selling cars. One day market participants can stop speculating so and it becomes worthless.
This is literally the furthest thing from the truth. Tesla has the highest profit margins in the industry even with the regulatory credit factored out.

I'm amazed people still believe this. It was true for a short time when they started being profitable, but not anymore.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6958 on: May 22, 2022, 12:21:28 AM »




 Gas prices are way more volatile than electricity.

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« Reply #6959 on: May 22, 2022, 12:41:07 AM »
This is literally the furthest thing from the truth. Tesla has the highest profit margins in the industry even with the regulatory credit factored out.

I'm amazed people still believe this. It was true for a short time when they started being profitable, but not anymore.
It was true from 2014 until mid 2021.
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