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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1080 on: February 25, 2015, 11:30:30 AM »
IF you can handle high risk, look into UWTI which is 3x leveraged bullish in oil.
It's a bit complicated how it works so research before buying.
very interesting. never heard of this.  care to share any more info, im using google as well but any info helps

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1081 on: February 25, 2015, 11:44:41 AM »
What do you guys think about JCP? Earnings tomorrow after market. Have been holding couple of them. Not sure whether I can keep those and sell them before the results?

Pour in you thoughts.

TIA!!

Just saw someone replied to this, but don't see it any more. Am I missing something?

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1082 on: February 25, 2015, 01:54:33 PM »
Anybody have a good idea of best to take advantage of future (inevitable) rising fuel prices given the current low prices?

im currently holding a position on DVN
USO might also be an option for you

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1083 on: February 25, 2015, 03:55:53 PM »
im currently holding a position on DVN
USO might also be an option for you
I was once contemplating USO as a bullish Oil play but was dissuaded by a guy in the financial industry. He said that USO will always under-perform by a few percent a year because of the hedge funds that buy up the newer future contracts right before USO is scheduled to, which forces USO to purchase the futures a few times a year at a slightly higher price point.
Since USO is such a large fund and needs to buy these large future contracts on a preset schedule (I think a day or 2 before the last contract expires), the hedge funds pump it up ahead of them for a quick profit.

RJN may be another option to look into.

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1084 on: February 25, 2015, 05:13:43 PM »
very interesting. never heard of this.  care to share any more info, im using google as well but any info helps
DWTI is the inverse 3x Leverage against OIL if you are bearish.

The following is my understanding of how these work. Basically they closely mimic the percentage increase/decrease in Crude oil but at 3X. So a 5% increase in Crude would be roughly a 15% increase in the price of UWTI and -15% on DWTI.
Here comes the fun math part- this goes by day. SO for example to keep things simple say we are at a point where Oil and UWTI are both at $100.
Day #1 Oil goes up 20% to $120, UWTI will go up 60% to $160
Day #2 Oil goes down 20% to $96, UWTI will go down 60% to $64
Day #3 Oil goes up 20% to $115.20, UWTI will go up 60% to $102.40
ETC ETC, of course this is an extreme example just to bring the point across that over the long term the return wont be 3x the return of oil, it all depends on the Volatility on the way up (or down).
The less volatility the closer it will be to the 3x mark.

Does this make sense?

(Above is simplified, its probably much more complex)

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1085 on: February 25, 2015, 05:21:31 PM »
DWTI is the inverse 3x Leverage against OIL if you are bearish.

The following is my understanding of how these work. Basically they closely mimic the percentage increase/decrease in Crude oil but at 3X. So a 5% increase in Crude would be roughly a 15% increase in the price of UWTI and -15% on DWTI.
Here comes the fun math part- this goes by day. SO for example to keep things simple say we are at a point where Oil and UWTI are both at $100.
Day #1 Oil goes up 20% to $120, UWTI will go up 60% to $160
Day #2 Oil goes down 20% to $96, UWTI will go down 60% to $64
Day #3 Oil goes up 20% to $115.20, UWTI will go up 60% to $102.40
ETC ETC, of course this is an extreme example just to bring the point across that over the long term the return wont be 3x the return of oil, it all depends on the Volatility on the way up (or down).
The less volatility the closer it will be to the 3x mark.

Does this make sense?

(Above is simplified, its probably much more complex)



in other words its a great day trade for heavy gamblers but never ever hold this position more then a few hours or even a day !

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1086 on: February 25, 2015, 05:56:39 PM »


in other words its a great day trade for heavy gamblers but never ever hold this position more then a few hours or even a day !
Also, I believe, the fund (all heavily leveraged funds) resets itself, I think daily, so there is additional fluctuations unrelated to the underlying asset.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1087 on: February 25, 2015, 06:22:06 PM »


in other words its a great day trade for heavy gamblers but never ever hold this position more then a few hours or even a day !
that depends on a lot of things, above I mentioned an extreme example. Typically if you are right in the direction and the volatility isn't crazy you should be ok.
Try comparing the charts to get a feel of how this stock reacts to oil movements. Oil typically does not move 20% in a day...
I'm actually long myself since yesterday but I'm monitoring it very closely. My plan is to sell off a chunk on a spike in the next few days or just get out.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1088 on: February 25, 2015, 06:26:47 PM »
Also, I believe, the fund (all heavily leveraged funds) resets itself, I think daily, so there is additional fluctuations unrelated to the underlying asset.
this is probably why the percentages aren't exactly 3X

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1089 on: February 26, 2015, 12:42:30 PM »
what are the thoughts on oil? did it bottom? or the worst is yet to come?

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1090 on: February 26, 2015, 12:48:27 PM »
what are the thoughts on oil? did it bottom? or the worst is yet to come?
I was wondering that too I might be interested in that UWTI

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1091 on: February 26, 2015, 02:12:40 PM »
Any recommendations on TSLA? Is it a good buy at this point?

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1092 on: February 26, 2015, 02:15:28 PM »
Any recommendations on TSLA? Is it a good buy at this point?
I would say so but it depends how long you want to hold onto it.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1093 on: February 26, 2015, 03:21:04 PM »
I would say so but it depends how long you want to hold onto it.
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I am more of a contrarian. A stock that is very hot in the media, chances are it is over priced. Not to say that it isn't a good company to invest in however, given the big hype abt it now it is Prob over-priced.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #1094 on: February 26, 2015, 04:18:58 PM »
What about DQ?

Seems like an opportunity to get in on a large target of the average price.