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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3135 on: April 11, 2018, 11:46:40 AM »
If you sold, what would be your target?  I'd say a stop loss needs to go at 1370.  A correction is likely, but I don't see signs of a reversal.

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3136 on: April 22, 2018, 08:10:02 PM »
I'll only start looking at it above 70 .
  KHC fell to $58  :)and still in a downtrend.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3137 on: April 22, 2018, 08:26:27 PM »
Go to Fidelity, Charles Schwab, T Rowe Price, Vangaurd and you can set up automatic investments in Index Funds, Its usually called Equity 500 Index fund or something similar Its very easy
And the main thing, Statements go straight in the garbage (you can review it for errors but not for the amounts)
Come back in 10 years from now than look on the  statement and let us know the results  ::)
2000 crash, took 16 years to regain capital, 2008-2009 , a massacre that took years for only those who did not panic to regain their huge losses, in the long term we are all dead, it does not always work.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3138 on: April 22, 2018, 08:52:57 PM »
2000 crash, took 16 years to regain capital, 2008-2009 , a massacre that took years for only those who did not panic to regain their huge losses, in the long term we are all dead, it does not always work.
2000 crash and 2008-09 masscare took less than 6 years for both to regain capital for all investors who are not speculators and can keep investments outside of emotions.
In long term it is the best investment strategy if you have faith in the US economy unless you believe that Donald trump is sabotaging the US economy on behalf of vladimir putin

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3139 on: April 22, 2018, 09:24:38 PM »
2000 crash, took 16 years to regain capital, 2008-2009 , a massacre that took years for only those who did not panic to regain their huge losses, in the long term we are all dead, it does not always work.
We have already established that facts and numbers are not his strong point.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3140 on: April 22, 2018, 09:49:55 PM »
We have already established that facts and numbers are not his strong point.
Wrong. Sorry, I do not agree with you about the DOW, which in this case from 2000 also took 8 years to catch up to the 2000 highs.   The Nasdaq and S&P are what counts, on which exchange are AAPL,AMZN,TSLA,AAPL,NFLX,GOOG  etc traded?.  And the SPX represents 500 of Americas largest corporations, who cares about the DOW, it represents 30 stocks, it does not represent the market, only naive investors ask what did the Dow close at? Professionals will be quoting the SPX and NDX.  Just my humble opinion.  :)

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3141 on: April 22, 2018, 09:54:18 PM »
And do not forget the opportunity cost, when you are stuck with loosing positions whether for 16 years or 8 years, that tied up money could have been invested in other profit generating investments.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3142 on: April 22, 2018, 10:02:30 PM »


Wrong. Sorry, I do not agree with you about the DOW, which in this case from 2000 also took 8 years to catch up to the 2000 highs.   The Nasdaq and S&P are what counts, on which exchange are AAPL,AMZN,TSLA,AAPL,NFLX,GOOG  etc traded?.  And the SPX represents 500 of Americas largest corporations, who cares about the DOW, it represents 30 stocks, it does not represent the market, only naive investors ask what did the Dow close at? Professionals will be quoting the SPX and NDX.  Just my humble opinion.  :)

NDX chart 2000-2016   16 years is a lifetime!!
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What did I write about DJI vs SPX? I only wrote about vs NSX in 2000 which was way to tech heavy and had a much bigger bubble than either large cap index. Considering the way tech was weighted at the time it was not a native of the broader market at the time. The fact is that DJI has stood the test of time and has been very highly correlated to SPX anyhow. Who care what professionals do? They also use standard deviation to measure volatility over average deviation.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3143 on: April 22, 2018, 11:30:16 PM »
Wrong. Sorry, I do not agree with you about the DOW, which in this case from 2000 also took 8 years to catch up to the 2000 highs.   The Nasdaq and S&P are what counts, on which exchange are AAPL,AMZN,TSLA,AAPL,NFLX,GOOG  etc traded?.  And the SPX represents 500 of Americas largest corporations, who cares about the DOW, it represents 30 stocks, it does not represent the market, only naive investors ask what did the Dow close at? Professionals will be quoting the SPX and NDX.  Just my humble opinion.  :)

NDX chart 2000-2016   16 years is a lifetime!!
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The S & P 500 when calculating reinvested Dividends was back by 2006 to the highs before the crash of 2001

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3144 on: April 22, 2018, 11:31:27 PM »
And the Nasdaq was defintley not than and even not now a broad market index

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3145 on: April 22, 2018, 11:44:33 PM »
And do not forget the opportunity cost, when you are stuck with loosing positions whether for 16 years or 8 years, that tied up money could have been invested in other profit generating investments.
And yes that tied up money could either be invested in other profit generating investments or go down the drain Like Enron, Lehman, Bear Sterns, WM, GM, Chrysler, GE, and the list goes on. So if you wanna take the risk its fully yours, but Warren Buffet doesn't look neither on standard deviations nor average deviations... He studies the 10-Q's and 10-K's with rishoinim and achroinim and studies management he doesnt base his investment decisions on some "PROFESSIONAL" posts on DDF's.

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3146 on: April 23, 2018, 12:49:03 AM »
 You are quoting and following Warren Buffett, good for you if you believe you can use his style, he is not always right as no one is, he lost a fortune trying to trade silver, and also bought oil stocks at the peak, when oil was $140. He is a fundamentalist with unlimited capital and  information available to him that is not available to the public, fundamental information is always already reflected in the price of a stock or commodity,you'll never have an edge by depending on fundamentals alone.   The trader I learned everything I  know from  is different, I was trained by him,he is short term to intermediate term ,Victor Sperandeo, he started with a few thousand and turned it to a billion +$s , all trading his own money,not other people's money, and George Soros gave him Billions of $ to trade for him. Vic was dubbed by Soros as the trader of the century,inducted in the hall of fame, featured in the book Market Wizards and Super traders,WSJ called him the Ultimate Wall Street Pro, it will be worth your time to buy his 3 books and read them , while Buffett was long in 1987, Vic was on CNBC a week before the crash saying he is short up to the limit, and the market will crash.

I am not trying to start an argument, just wanted to explain there are different approaches to investing and trading, each needs to find what works for him.  I trade everything from stocks, forex, commodities,  long and short, I was never an investor, and I do extremely well. If index funds are your cup of tea, great, important is the end result.

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3147 on: April 23, 2018, 01:01:08 AM »
You are quoting and following Warren Buffett, good for you if you believe you can use his style, he is not always right as no one is, he lost a fortune trying to trade silver, and also bought oil stocks at the peak, when oil was $140. He is a fundamentalist with unlimited capital and  information available to him that is not available to the public, fundamental information is always already reflected in the price of a stock or commodity,you'll never have an edge by depending on fundamentals alone.   The trader I learned everything I  know from  is different, I was trained by him,he is short term to intermediate term ,Victor Sperandeo, he started with a few thousand and turned it to a billion +$s , all trading his own money,not other people's money, and George Soros gave him Billions of $ to trade for him. Vic was dubbed by Soros as the trader of the century,inducted in the hall of fame, featured in the book Market Wizards and Super traders,WSJ called him the Ultimate Wall Street Pro, it will be worth your time to buy his 3 books and read them , while Buffett was long in 1987, Vic was on CNBC a week before the crash saying he is short up to the limit, and the market will crash.

I am not trying to start an argument, just wanted to explain there are different approaches to investing and trading, each needs to find what works for him.  I trade everything from stocks, forex, commodities,  long and short, I was never an investor, and I do extremely well. If index funds are your cup of tea, great, important is the end result.
Agree that everyone has own approach, as per Victor Sperandeo he doesnt show up on Forbes list so I dont know how much money he is worth but definitley less than 1% of Buffet :'(, Anyway thats not the point. Just when ppl post 9 years into a bull market about how good investments they make it seems to some that the 2007-09 memories are long lost with ppl thinking that its never gonna happen again. So for those that were too young to remember than, just be aware. Everything could happen again

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3148 on: April 23, 2018, 01:09:16 AM »
Yes, everything could and does happen again. People say, this time is different, it never is.
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #3149 on: April 23, 2018, 01:14:38 AM »
Yes, everything could and does happen again. People say, this time is different, it never is.
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