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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6920 on: May 15, 2022, 12:36:47 PM »
It may be easier for them to throw him a bone than to go through the lawsuit. But again, risk/reward on this spread seems reasonable at today's price.
Question is if they actually want to sell or are doing it only because of fiduciary duties, in which case they'll be happy with a lawsuit
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6921 on: May 15, 2022, 03:55:05 PM »
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I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6922 on: May 15, 2022, 04:48:28 PM »
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A huge chunk of the federal government agencies and programs that exist were put into place to ensure that 1929 and the aftermath never repeats itself. Given the current conditions the market is operating under, I don't know how relevant bringing up 1929 is. (Of course, for individual sectors it can be true, like tech and the dot com bust, but for the market and economy as a whole it's not so indicative.)

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6923 on: May 15, 2022, 05:45:00 PM »
A huge chunk of the federal government agencies and programs that exist were put into place to ensure that 1929 and the aftermath never repeats itself. Given the current conditions the market is operating under, I don't know how relevant bringing up 1929 is. (Of course, for individual sectors it can be true, like tech and the dot com bust, but for the market and economy as a whole it's not so indicative.)

I don't think many of those government agencies and programs are relevant to this discussion. While recovering from the 1929 might have taken 25 years, you can look at the dot.com bubble for the Nasdaq which took about 15 years to recover, and there were other long recoveries.

https://fourpillarfreedom.com/heres-how-long-the-stock-market-has-historically-taken-to-recover-from-drops/
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6924 on: May 15, 2022, 08:12:00 PM »
lol no itís not. Musk canít just walk from this. Twitter can force him to close.
Twitter cannot force him to close. He can walk by paying a $1Billion penalty. (or he can try to claim that all the twitter users are really bots).

Not sure מעיקרא מאי קסבר ולבסוף מאי קסבר

The question is what is Musk's endgame. Is he trying to reduce the price than it is a good investment, if he is trying to walk watch out below.

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6925 on: May 15, 2022, 11:37:23 PM »
Twitter cannot force him to close. He can walk by paying a $1Billion penalty. (or he can try to claim that all the twitter users are really bots).

This just isnít correct. 9.9(b) of the merger agreement gives Twitter the right to force Musk to close and put up the 27.5b of equity (as long as the debt financing is available).

(b) Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, including the availability of the Parent Termination Fee or other monetary damages, remedy or award, it is hereby acknowledged and agreed that the Company shall be entitled to specific performance or other equitable remedy to enforce Parent and Acquisition Subís obligations to cause the Equity Investor to fund the Equity Financing, or to enforce the Equity Investorís obligation to fund the Equity Financing directly, and to consummate the Closing if and for so long as, (i) all of the conditions set forth in Section 7.1 and Section 7.2 (other than those conditions that are to be satisfied at the Closing; provided, that such conditions are capable of being satisfied if the Closing were to occur at such time) have been satisfied or waived and Parent has failed to consummate the Closing on the date required pursuant to the terms of Section 2.2, (ii) the Debt Financing (or, as applicable, the Alternative Financing) has been funded or will be funded at the Closing if the Equity Financing is funded at the Closing, and (iii) the Company has confirmed that, if specific performance or other equity remedy is granted and the Equity Financing and Debt Financing are funded, then the Closing will occur. For the avoidance of doubt, (A) while the Company may concurrently seek (x) specific performance or other equitable relief, subject to the terms of this Section 9.9, and (y) payment of the Parent Termination Fee or other monetary damages, remedy or award if, as and when required pursuant to this Agreement), under no circumstances shall the Company be permitted or entitled to receive both a grant of specific performance to cause the Equity Financing to be funded, on the one hand, and payment of the Parent Termination Fee or other monetary damages, remedy or award, on the other hand; provided, however, that in no event shall the Company be permitted or entitled to receive aggregate monetary damages in excess of the Parent Termination Fee (except in all cases that Parent shall also be obligated with respect to its expense reimbursement and indemnification obligations contained in Section 6.11 and its applicable obligations under Section 8.3(d)(iii) and Section 8.6(b)).

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6926 on: May 16, 2022, 01:11:34 AM »
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If the market drops 90% you can buy in again if you donít want it to take too long to recover
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6927 on: May 18, 2022, 08:01:08 AM »
The last month...
I'm going crazy, wanna come along?

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6928 on: May 18, 2022, 09:17:50 AM »
The last month...
hamakom yemalei chesronach...

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6929 on: May 18, 2022, 10:56:36 AM »
hamakom yemalei chesroneinu...
FTFY

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6930 on: May 18, 2022, 11:01:09 AM »
The last month...
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6931 on: May 18, 2022, 11:13:28 AM »
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A 17.07% decline requires a 20.58% rise just to break even.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6932 on: May 18, 2022, 01:55:51 PM »
A 17.07% decline requires a 20.58% rise just to break even.

Yup, the classic:

If you lose 10% and then gain 10% youíre down 1%.
If you gain 10% and then lose 10% youíre also down 1%.

Where did that 1% go? ::)

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6933 on: May 18, 2022, 02:08:54 PM »
Is today a good entry point for SAVE considering the JetBlue offer?

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6934 on: May 18, 2022, 02:25:21 PM »
Question is if they actually want to sell or are doing it only because of fiduciary duties, in which case they'll be happy with a lawsuit
Keep in mind that Musk now has an outsized influence on TWTR stock price. If he walks from this deal expect the stock to tank. That's something the board has to contend with. Collecting a 1B dollar penalty may not be in their best interest...

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6935 on: May 18, 2022, 06:06:05 PM »
The last month...
I'm at 11.3% in the red the past month, so that means Iím not in last place

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6936 on: May 18, 2022, 06:14:59 PM »
I'm at 11.3% in the red the past month, so that means Iím not in last place
I think I'm about 14%.

Can we make a leaderboard?  8)

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6937 on: May 18, 2022, 06:20:59 PM »
I think I'm about 14%.

Can we make a leaderboard?  8)

-17.98%  :'(

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6938 on: May 19, 2022, 03:52:23 PM »
-17.98%  :'(

Since your number is almost 18%, the following tweet is quite apropos:


And in contrast comes this:

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Re: Stocks
« Reply #6939 on: May 19, 2022, 09:12:00 PM »
Since your number is almost 18%, the following tweet is quite apropos:


And in contrast comes this:


The S&P 500 is currently down about 18%. All the large Bear markets (since the 1973-74 bear market which was before my times) were accompanied by a strong negative catalyst which as of yet we don't have. 1987 had the stock market crash and had a 34% drop. 2000 saw the dot com bubble burst followed by 9/11 and saw an appx 50% drop by the time it was done. 2008 saw the banking system almost collapse as a result of the subprime debacle and had a 56% drop. 2000 saw Covid-19 and had a very brief 34% drop.

1980 with runaway inflation saw a 27% drop and 1990 saw a 20% drop.

Even if we end up in a recession we may not have that much further to fall. (unless WW3 breaks out or some other extreme event).