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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2012, 12:31:09 PM »
+1 this is what my reebe said, theres a chacham tzvi - (when i asked him about pesach)

What do you hold? One or two days?
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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2012, 12:48:29 PM »
What do you hold? One or two days?

Once you go 'one day' you can never go back  ;D

Especially Pesach, and only one Seder....

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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2012, 12:50:35 PM »
Once you go 'one day' you can never go back  ;D

Especially Pesach, and only one Seder....

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If you move back I highly doubt you still hold one day.
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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2012, 12:54:44 PM »
Most chabad poskim at least.  Though in Eilat it would definitely be 2 days.
And chabad Israelis will hold 2 days in chu"l.

In other words it has nothing to do with being an american/israeli but whether you are in the place where they held 1 or 2 days b'zman habayis.
The Chida also holds like this and that's where many poskim get the one day psak from. Eilat is not E'Y so I don't think any mainstreem posek would hold 1 day.
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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2012, 01:00:41 PM »
Eilat is not E'Y so I don't think any mainstreem posek would hold 1 day.
Unless you are a non-chabad "Israeli."
Anyway when did this distinction of being an Israeli resident start?  Seems like b'zman habayis it was how chabad holds?
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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2012, 01:02:05 PM »
The Chida also holds like this and that's where many poskim get the one day psak from. Eilat is not E'Y so I don't think any mainstreem posek would hold 1 day.
I think the DAT"L Rabbonim would pasken 2 days for Eilat, I know the Shluchim there try not to publicize it so as not to cause anger by zionists there (though its probably the least kept secret in Eilat)

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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2012, 01:02:08 PM »
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If you move back I highly doubt you still hold one day.

I meant, while in Israel for Yom Tov...

And it makes 2 days in Chutz La'aretz that much more painful!

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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2012, 01:03:40 PM »
What do you hold? One or two days?

well its complicated we came out that even though i have the chacham tzvi and i would hold one day but i was not in IL for pesach or succos, and shavuos wasnt enough, i have to really be there
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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2012, 01:10:46 PM »
Unless you are a non-chabad "Israeli."
Anyway when did this distinction of being an Israeli resident start?  Seems like b'zman habayis it was how chabad holds?
+1
That's what I always say, if the point is because sfeika d'yoma, then if you're in israel you would know what day it's supposed to be...

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Re: Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2012, 01:11:37 PM »
Unless you are a non-chabad "Israeli."
Anyway when did this distinction of being an Israeli resident start? 
Shulchan aruch??
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Re: Re: Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2012, 03:05:28 PM »
The chacham tzvi held so.
I meant contemporary Posek


And that's what chabad does.
False statement.

That's not black and white, there are different Rabbonim who Pasken differently.
Exactly

Most chabad poskim at least.  Though in Eilat it would definitely be 2 days.
And chabad Israelis will hold 2 days in chu"l.

In other words it has nothing to do with being an american/israeli but whether you are in the place where they held 1 or 2 days b'zman habayis.
"Most Chabad poskim", did you take a vote?  BTW, what does HaRav Chaikin hold?

"Though in Eilat it would definitely be 2 days."
I spoke with the (a?) Shliach there, he told me that everyone in Eilat keeps ONE day, though in essence they should really be keeping two!  Any questions on that, don't ask me.

The Chida also holds like this and that's where many poskim get the one day psak from. Eilat is not E'Y so I don't think any mainstreem posek would hold 1 day.
Can you please point me to the Chid"a, thanks.

Shulchan aruch??
Can you please be more specific, what are you referring to?

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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2012, 03:08:14 PM »
R Chaikin told me to speak to R' Ashkenazi who told me to keep one day when I was in J'lem for shavuos.

I think though I may be mistaken that R Chaikin once told his own son to go to Eilat though and keep 2 days.
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Re: Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2012, 03:27:05 PM »
R Chaikin told me to speak to R' Ashkenazi who told me to keep one day when I was in J'lem for shavuos.

I think though I may be mistaken that R Chaikin once told his own son to go to Eilat though and keep 2 days.
R' Ashkenazi??!  Duh, he's the most well known proponent in Chabad for one day.., that's sort of corny.

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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2012, 03:28:48 PM »
R' Ashkenazi??!  Duh, he's the most well known proponent in Chabad for one day.., that's sort of corny.
Does that make him less of a Rov?
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Re: Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2012, 03:39:36 PM »
Does that make him less of a Rov?
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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2012, 04:06:01 PM »
Does that make him less of a Rov?
No it just means That R' Cheikin was telling you (in his own signature Cheikin way :) ) to keep one day

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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2012, 04:10:56 PM »
No it just means That R' Cheikin was telling you (in his own signature Cheikin way :) ) to keep one day
It's actually better/funnier than that, but I won't say it publicly.
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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2012, 04:11:54 PM »
It's actually better/funnier than that, but I won't say it publicly.
Now you have me curious... :-[ :-X

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Re: Re: Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2012, 04:40:13 PM »

Can you please point me to the Chid"a, thanks.

Sorry my bad. He only rules this regarding Single Buchrim comming to learn in E'Y.

You can read this for more info and to see all the shitos.

R. Chaim Yosef David Azulai (1724–1806), known as the Chida, discusses this question in his responsa, Chayyim Sha’al (1:55). He cites a well-known debate among his predecessors regarding whether students who come to study in Israel with the intention of returning to Chutz La-Aretz should observe one or two days. He notes that although a number of prominent rabbis from Tzfat ruled that these students should observe two days, the great rabbis of Jerusalem, including R. Yaakov Chagiz (1620–1674) in his Halakhot Ketanot (4), rule that an unmarried man should observe one day, as he may eventually find a spouse and stay in Israel. R. Ovadia Yosef (Yechave Da’at 1:26; Yabi’a Omer 6:40) rules accordingly. Alternatively, the Magen Avraham (468:12) writes that a student who comes to Eretz Yisrael to study for two to three years must still observe two days of Yom Tov.

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Re: Are you keeping one day of yom tov?
« Reply #59 on: March 24, 2013, 04:26:27 PM »
To all Israelis: will you be browsing ddf on Tuesday?  ;)
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