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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2012, 11:11:41 AM »
Honest truth I am not sure what to believe. I know the Rebbe was a VERY VERY holy man and definitely had a close connection to God. Are all these stories 100% accurate? I honestly don't know. They are too many personal accounts for them to be totally made up.I certainly would never C"V never compare him to the others mentioned above.

However one thing I don't understand (and despite the fact you (@Dan) said you were done with this thread I would appreciate if you would humor me with a response) is does saying you don't believe in these stories make you a bad person? Does it make you a Kofer? And why are these stories still so important? Why are we still telling these stories over at Chabad houses around the world as a method of Kiruv and not telling stories about the chesed of Hashem (not saying these stories aren't important, just why do they continue to play such a central role and superecede other things)? I understand that when the Rebbe was alive he was a point of connection between man and God and for the a lubavitcher, the most important one. However, now that he's gone-is that still true? What role does he continue to play?
I ask all these questions respectfully and would truly appreciate a direct and honest answer.
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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2012, 12:06:54 PM »
Quote from רמב"ם הלכות חמץ ומצה פרק ז הלכה ב:
מצוה להודיע לבנים ואפילו לא שאלו שנאמר והגדת לבנך. לפי דעתו של בן אביו מלמדו. כיצד אם היה קטן או טיפש אומר לו בני כולנו היינו עבדים כמו שפחה זו או כמו עבד זה במצרים ובלילה הזה פדה אותנו הקב"ה ויוציאנו לחירות. ואם היה הבן גדול וחכם מודיעו מה שאירע לנו במצרים ונסים שנעשו לנו ע"י משה רבינו הכל לפי דעתו של בן
I don't get it... ???

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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2012, 12:10:10 PM »
Exactly. Tell stories of yetzias mitzrayim, of the chasadim of Hashem for his people
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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2012, 09:35:11 AM »
Fuggetaboutit.

Is it a chiddush to you that the Rebbe was and is the focal point of Chabad Chassidim? I can not contrast to other groups but I assume it is similar if not MAMASH the same...
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Re: Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2012, 10:29:54 AM »
Fuggetaboutit.

Is it a chiddush to you that the Rebbe was and is the focal point of Chabad Chassidim? I can not contrast to other groups but I assume it is similar if not MAMASH the same...
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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2012, 08:41:37 AM »
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Can you explain? I am not saying that they should not speak about Hashem and other Gedolim too, just I think that is the way it is there...
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Re: Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2012, 09:08:06 AM »
Can you explain? I am not saying that they should not speak about Hashem and other Gedolim too, just I think that is the way it is there...
It is not similar at all. You wouldn't hear a shmooze at shalosh seudos which is just a story about a figure, especially one with no point other than to say how great the figure was.
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Re: Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2012, 09:16:46 AM »
It is not similar at all. You wouldn't hear a shmooze at shalosh seudos which is just a story about a figure, especially one with no point other than to say how great the figure was.

At what Shalosh Seudos?
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Re: Re: Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2012, 09:27:37 AM »
At what Shalosh Seudos?
Venice
But that is just a singular example. You hear these stories all the time
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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2012, 09:31:52 AM »
I am sorry, I am not following you. Are you saying that in Chabad you usually do not hear only about the Rebbe?
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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2012, 09:34:52 AM »
Not expressing an opinion, but I heard the brisker rov said about gedolim stories 'if you believe it can't happen, you're a Koifer. If you believe it did happen, you're a fool'.
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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2012, 09:36:15 AM »
Not expressing an opinion, but I heard the brisker rov said about gedolim stories 'if you believe it can't happen, you're a Koifer. If you believe it did happen, you're a fool'.
I heard it from the Satmer Rebbe . Highly doubt the Brisker Rav would of said such a thing

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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2012, 09:37:32 AM »
Not expressing an opinion, but I heard the brisker rov said about gedolim stories 'if you believe it can't happen, you're a Koifer. If you believe it did happen, you're a fool'.
I heard it from the Satmer Rebbe . Highly doubt the Brisker Rav would of said such a thing
I love how lines, stories etc are rehashed so many times, anyway I've always hear on reference to bal shem tov stories if you don't believe any you are a koifer, but if you believe them all you are a fool...
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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2012, 09:41:17 AM »
I heard it from the Satmer Rebbe . Highly doubt the Brisker Rav would of said such a thing
I didn't hear it from a random guy on the street, but I can't say I'm sure he actually said it
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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2012, 09:43:17 AM »
I heard it from the Satmer Rebbe . Highly doubt the Brisker Rav would of said such a thing

Neither the Brisker Rav nor the Satmar Rebbe would of said anything. They both may have said it however.

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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2012, 09:45:30 AM »
Neither the Brisker Rav nor the Satmar Rebbe would of said anything. They both may have said it however.

Gee thanks for that point!  :P ::)
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Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2012, 09:46:35 AM »
Neither the Brisker Rav nor the Satmar Rebbe would of said anything. They both may have said it however.
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Re: Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2012, 09:46:43 AM »
Are you saying that in Chabad you usually hear stories only about the Rebbe?
FTFY
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Re: Re: A Story for Yom Kippur...
« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2012, 07:36:56 AM »
FTFY

Cryptic. If the answer was yes, you fixed it so the answer is no, or vice versa?
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