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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #80 on: January 23, 2013, 08:00:39 PM »
Well if kfar chabad voted over 50% Utzma Lyisrael, it doesn't sound like they are worried about being drafted...
I don't think lubavitchers are so against joining the army bi'chlal... CMIIW
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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #81 on: January 23, 2013, 08:39:39 PM »
I don't think lubavitchers are so against joining the army bi'chlal... CMIIW
Lubavitch or Lubavitchers? Because AFAIK Lubavitch IS against.

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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #82 on: January 23, 2013, 08:47:55 PM »
Is Chabad represented by any party?
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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #83 on: January 23, 2013, 08:56:11 PM »
What's wrong with those Israeli pollsters?  Why are they allways so off-mark?

I don't see any government lasting their full term, with results like this...

I can't see a coalition w/o Bennet.
I doubt Livni can get along with Bibi.. she can go back to teaching us how to eat krembo..
IDK why they always are considering Yesh Atid as left wing.. Anti tal law -for sure... Left wing?  Definitely not.
If they veer to the left, next election they'll probably be gone, or cut in half -at least..
Meretz growing to 6 is quite sad :'( ,they're the worst enemy within, period.

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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #84 on: January 23, 2013, 11:56:06 PM »
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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #85 on: January 24, 2013, 12:25:41 AM »
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Very interesting! He makes some great points, but one of his main points I think he is way off on. He makes it as if it is a recent development that chareidim are secluded, not letting their kids play with "secular kids", that part is non-sense. Orthodox people have been like that way before secularism was invented. Maybe it is because I don't know the difference between chareidim and orthodox.
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Re: Re: Israel elections
« Reply #86 on: January 24, 2013, 12:58:35 AM »
Maybe it is because I don't know the difference between chareidim and orthodox.

There is no difference. It is one and the same. It's only because the media has labelled charedim as "ultra-orthodox" that there is confusion in the matter.
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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #87 on: January 24, 2013, 11:02:14 AM »
Well if kfar chabad voted over 50% Utzma Lyisrael,
Which got them nothing at all- they could of voted for shas/gimmel/bayit hayehudi- etc and actually made a difference for religious people.

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Re: Re: Re: Israel elections
« Reply #88 on: January 24, 2013, 11:06:55 AM »
There is no difference. It is one and the same. It's only because the media has labelled charedim as "ultra-orthodox" that there is confusion in the matter.

In my mind you can be Orthodox without being Charedi.
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Re: Re: Israel elections
« Reply #89 on: January 24, 2013, 11:38:20 AM »
Which got them nothing at all- they could of voted for shas/gimmel/bayit hayehudi- etc and actually made a difference for religious people.

Agreed. A vote for one of the small, right wing factions thus election, ended being a vote for lapid. If the votes for small parties were given to likud, shas etc,, the right wing couldve formed a natural fitting coalition without lapid.

Right now, I'm banking on the extremism of the parties to break or prevent a coalition in the coming months. We'll have new elections which will strengthen both likud and shas to help form a strong right wing government.
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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #90 on: January 24, 2013, 11:51:36 AM »
And another $300 million down the drain
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Israel elections
« Reply #91 on: January 24, 2013, 11:54:45 AM »
In my mind you can be Orthodox without being Charedi.

Charedim for the past couple hundred years have always been called orthodox. I would call them more accurately, Traditional Orthodox. Came around some rabbis, and successfully sparked a break off of Traditional orthodoxy, something now known as Modern Orthodox.

I'm not coming to bash modox, as modox are obviously religious. But Modox ain't orthodox and orthodox ain't modox. So when saying you're orthodox, you are charedi, as there is no other option.
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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #92 on: January 24, 2013, 11:55:58 AM »
Because traditionally 95% of the Orthodox were in learning, right?
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Re: Re: Israel elections
« Reply #93 on: January 24, 2013, 12:00:45 PM »
And another $300 million down the drain

Meh. That's a drop in the bucket compared to what the Charedim steal every year.
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Re: Re: Israel elections
« Reply #94 on: January 24, 2013, 12:03:38 PM »
Because traditionally 95% of the Orthodox were in learning, right?

How does working contradict being Orthodox? And let's not listen to a rant about how some "charedi" extreme extremists assur going to work.
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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #95 on: January 24, 2013, 12:05:26 PM »
You misunderstood what I said. Traditionally orthodoxy did not include everyone being in full time learning. So I'm not sure the current chareidi society is necessarily a kiyum in traditional orthodoxy
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Re: Re: Israel elections
« Reply #96 on: January 24, 2013, 12:17:00 PM »
You misunderstood what I said. Traditionally orthodoxy did not include everyone being in full time learning. So I'm not sure the current chareidi society is necessarily a kiyum in traditional orthodoxy

We never changed our ikkar Hashkafos drastically for hundreds of years. The fact that there are more people (not everyone as you believe) learning full time, simply is an outcome of the extra wealth that has been created in the past 60 years. Back in the shtetl, one couldn't afford to learn a couple years after marriage, nor even before marriage. Only the top, elite students would be supported by the community because nothing else was affordable.


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Re: Israel elections
« Reply #97 on: January 24, 2013, 12:18:18 PM »
And another $300 million down the drain
Better than the billions we spent in the US for the exact same outcome.
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Re: Re: Israel elections
« Reply #98 on: January 24, 2013, 09:05:29 PM »
We never changed our ikkar Hashkafos drastically for hundreds of years. The fact that there are more people (not everyone as you believe) learning full time, simply is an outcome of the extra wealth that has been created in the past 60 years. Back in the shtetl, one couldn't afford to learn a couple years after marriage, nor even before marriage. Only the top, elite students would be supported by the community because nothing else was affordable.

Women being the primary breadearners is a new phenomenon.
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Re: Re: Re: Israel elections
« Reply #99 on: January 25, 2013, 01:04:18 AM »
Women being the primary breadearners is a new phenomenon.

Yet again the answer is that our Hashkafos never changed. The world changed drastically in regards to women's rights, and the opportunity for a woman to make money has never been brighter. I can imagine that 200 years ago a similar amount of women would go out to work if given the opportunity.

Even without that, the women being the sole bread winner is only a temporary situation, that in 95% of the yeshiva world, lasts only a couple years.

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