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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2012, 08:28:29 PM »
+1, the only reason they get away with this is because they are a Israeli  company. Either honor them or don't. Do not classify them as second class.
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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2012, 08:38:25 PM »
and where do you draw the line?  paying customers before award tickets? higher fare buckets before the lower?   pretty ridiculous.    this isn't an upgrade priority list, it's rescheduling the actual flight you paid for. every customer has the same rights to be rescheduled.       the second they decided to honor the tickets, there's no room for them to differentiate b/w those customers and any others.

Incorrect. SBY list is sorted by status and fare class, as you suggested.

The law, to the best of my knowledge, allows them to refuse to rebook altogether and simply refund the 'payments'.

Everything they do beyond that is more than they're required to do.
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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2012, 08:41:39 PM »
If anything here is despicable it's taking advantage of a companys error.

Why because it's a Jewish company? what if Alitalia had a mistake would you also have a problem with people taking advantage? Maybe Elal takes advantage of people all year round and charge a ridiculous price for tickets to Israel! DOn't they control how many airlines/flights could fly to Israel by minimizing the direct flights they raise the prices!

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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2012, 08:48:04 PM »
Why because it's a Jewish company? what if Alitalia had a mistake would you also have a problem with people taking advantage?
Elal is no more Jewish than Alitalia. Both have a certain percentage of Jewish shareholders (well, AZ per se is privately held so I'm not sure).

Either way, I've taken advantage of airlines a lot more than you'd think, but still, if anything in the entire story is 'despicable', I'd pick the guy forcing someone to give him something at loss.

Maybe Elal takes advantage of people all year round and charge a ridiculous price for tickets to Israel!
Have you heard of the market?

Either way, they don't make money, so they're not charging all that crazy much.
DOn't they control how many airlines/flights could fly to Israel by minimizing the direct flights they raise the prices!

No, they don't. Israel has an open skies agreement with both Europe and Israel. You're welcome to start flying there.
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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2012, 08:49:56 PM »
Another guy who didn't get on the deal....
BS. I saw this deal posted on DDF when the thread only had the OP and one other post. The fact is I did not, and still do not have any use for it. I wouldn't buy it if it was available right now.
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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2012, 09:09:15 PM »
Elal is no more Jewish than Alitalia. Both have a certain percentage of Jewish shareholders (well, AZ per se is privately held so I'm not sure).

Either way, I've taken advantage of airlines a lot more than you'd think, but still, if anything in the entire story is 'despicable', I'd pick the guy forcing someone to give him something at loss.
Have you heard of the market?
If you've taken advantage dont attack others its not all that pleasant.

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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2012, 09:13:01 PM »
Either way, they don't make money, so they're not charging all that crazy much.
I didn''t audit them, but I'd imagine that if a company like that is not making money it doesn't mean much all it means is that the big shots are making  nice salaries  and they're reporting losses.
Start flying there? It's totally irrelevant, but I've lived in Israel for 9 years.

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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2012, 09:23:12 PM »

Start flying there? It's totally irrelevant, but I've lived in Israel for 9 years.
i think he meant to say that elal doesnt control it and anyone can fly including you if u opened an airline

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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2012, 09:30:30 PM »
i think he meant to say that elal doesnt control it and anyone can fly including you if u opened an airline
That not true they've been controlling it for a while now only this year did they sign an open sky agreement and it's not fully implemented  http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-07/31/c_131751211.htm
"and is expected to cover 80 percent of the costs when open skies is fully implemented in the summer of 2017"

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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2012, 09:40:17 PM »
That not true they've been controlling it for a while now only this year did they sign an open sky agreement and it's not fully implemented  http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-07/31/c_131751211.htm
"and is expected to cover 80 percent of the costs when open skies is fully implemented in the summer of 2017"
im not stating an opinion, i was merely saying you misunderstood him

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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2012, 09:43:43 PM »
im not stating an opinion, i was merely saying you misunderstood him
got it. I was just continuing the conversation.

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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2012, 09:46:59 PM »
got it. I was just continuing the conversation.
in that case, how can elal control which airlines can fly to tlv?

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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2012, 09:53:03 PM »
If you've taken advantage dont attack others its not all that pleasant.
My apologies I didn't mean to attack anybody.
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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2012, 09:53:16 PM »
in that case, how can elal control which airlines can fly to tlv?
I don't think it's Elal it's the Israeli government protecting Elal's interests, but they realized that it may be beneficial to add more flights/airlines, but they're still somewhat limited. 

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Re: El Al laying down the law
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2012, 07:47:40 AM »
Incorrect. SBY list is sorted by status and fare class, as you suggested.
sby?  who's talking about sby?  maybe you missed the op... we're talking about rescheduling onto other flights that have open seats due to the hurricane.  standby procedures are irrelevant.   
The law, to the best of my knowledge, allows them to refuse to rebook altogether and simply refund the 'payments'.

Everything they do beyond that is more than they're required to do.
incorrect.   it's actually against Israeli law. see section 6, a, 2
 http://www.elal.co.il/NR/rdonlyres/9C7640D3-063B-4A52-9F49-A2A3AFC6951B/0/AviationServicesLawENG.pdf

so it is absolutely what they're required to do.   and it says nothing in there about rescheduling cancelled tickets based on status.   
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