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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1160 on: July 15, 2014, 03:53:09 PM »
San Diego at 34? It should be top five most expensive
The numbers are based on housing prices and income of the city as a whole.  It's got nothing to do with frum communities per se other than the sampling is of places with frum populations.

But those numbers will be hard/impossible to get ahold of. And this is the next best thing.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1161 on: July 15, 2014, 03:54:30 PM »
If you click through to where he posts the numbers, you'll see that he used an average house price of $78k for Cleveland and $260k for Houston. Do you think those numbers represent the actual average cost of a house in the frum neighborhoods of each city?

http://www.relocatehouston.org/
The Brays Oaks area is particularly affordable, with home prices in the eruv averaging just $225k.

Here is hard data from the Jewish community that actually lives there. I am not saying it is the cheapest place in the frum world but with no individual income tax among other things, makes in very affordable.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1162 on: July 15, 2014, 03:56:32 PM »
The numbers are based on housing prices and income of the city as a whole.  It's got nothing to do with frum communities per se other than the sampling is of places with frum populations.

But those numbers will be hard/impossible to get a hold of. And this is the next best thing.

Not at all. As i linked in my previous comment, most out of town communities have a site with actual hard data for moving into their community. I am not saying that anyone here needs to spend their entire fast day complying a list, but it can be done and would be way more accurate.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1163 on: July 15, 2014, 04:01:23 PM »
Not at all. As i linked in my previous comment, most out of town communities have a site with actual hard data for moving into their community. I am not saying that anyone here needs to spend their entire fast day complying a list, but it can be done and would be way more accurate.
I highly doubt most frum communities have accurate housing and income data.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1165 on: July 15, 2014, 04:05:11 PM »
Lots of this list meaningless. Not sure that is "the next best thing"
Again, I have personal knowledge that the Jewish community in La Jolla is probably #2 or #3 on this list. putting it in the middle of the pack is a joke
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1166 on: July 15, 2014, 04:07:58 PM »
Lots of this list meaningless. Not sure that is "the next best thing"
Again, I have personal knowledge that the Jewish community in La Jolla is probably #2 or #3 on this list. putting it in the middle of the pack is a joke
La Jolla isn't on the list.  SD isn't including that.  And it has nothing to do with where the jews live, that's the biggest flaw and will be seen the most in places where Jews live in places that are way off from the city median.

I think for the most part it's accurate enough with the flawed/limited data it works on.  I'm sure there are a few that are way out of place, but top to bottom it looks more correct than incorrect.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1167 on: July 15, 2014, 04:55:27 PM »
Isn't tax a big missing piece? Real Estate Tax+ Income Tax is much higher in NJ over anywhere else. That could move the needle on some of these calculations

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1168 on: July 15, 2014, 04:58:25 PM »
How are the averages on trulia and zillow so disparate?
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1169 on: July 15, 2014, 06:24:44 PM »
La Jolla isn't on the list.  SD isn't including that.  And it has nothing to do with where the jews live, that's the biggest flaw and will be seen the most in places where Jews live in places that are way off from the city median.

I think for the most part it's accurate enough with the flawed/limited data it works on.  I'm sure there are a few that are way out of place, but top to bottom it looks more correct than incorrect.
The fact that the list overall looks more or less in line with your view of the matter does not validate it as a good list, even if your view was the most correct. Everyone is pointing out the reason that the methodology is flawed. If the methodology is flawed, you don't get to pick and choose what's good from the results, the results are all flawed.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1170 on: July 15, 2014, 06:28:03 PM »
It's flawed methodology if you're looking for frum areas only.

But if you're looking at cities as a whole it's correct. Therefore it gives a good idea for most places where the immediate frum community isn't priced at massive multiples over avg/median house prices.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1173 on: August 01, 2014, 04:46:51 PM »
YYZ it would be $3 mil easy
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1174 on: August 02, 2014, 11:06:09 PM »
Taxes aren't too low though in CLE (over 30k). House was a foreclosure prob Bc of the taxes.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1175 on: August 02, 2014, 11:09:44 PM »
Taxes aren't too low though in CLE (over 30k). House was a foreclosure prob Bc of the taxes.
That's not CLE, that's Shaker Heights.
I think they may have the highest property tax rate in the country at 4% of home value.  Beachwood is half that.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1176 on: August 03, 2014, 01:23:21 PM »
YYZ it would be $3 mil easy

with land that size, at least 4-5 mil     and the property taxes would be insane

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1177 on: August 03, 2014, 03:10:26 PM »
with land that size, at least 4-5 mil     and the property taxes would be insane
I think they would be comparable (30k)
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1178 on: August 03, 2014, 03:25:11 PM »
I think they would be comparable (30k)

Sorry- I meant toronto proper and I assumed you were talking about Thill. Toronto properties are pricier and property taxes are significantly more.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1179 on: August 03, 2014, 03:40:33 PM »
True. Taxes would be in the 50-60k range
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