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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3660 on: October 07, 2021, 02:55:21 AM »
I have a friend thats looking to buy a house in ch and a "jewish" real estate agent told the goy to pick up the price on the house bc the relatives have money, she does that all the time getting the goyim to pick the price up on yiddin. everybody in ch knows who that agent is
Does she do that so that more will want to sell?

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3661 on: October 07, 2021, 07:33:21 AM »


Honestly, it's so widely known, if someone is asking for a name it wouldn't be nogea to them

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3662 on: October 07, 2021, 07:38:42 AM »
Does she do that so that more will want to sell?

No, to get more money. Some properties she's gotten owners to hold out for more have sat for a year or more without getting sold in a neighborhood where homes often don't make it to market before getting sold

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3663 on: October 07, 2021, 10:14:07 AM »
Honestly, it's so widely known, if someone is asking for a name it wouldn't be nogea to them

I don't know if you're referring to VS or ST. But I think even if it is not nogea there would still be an issue or Loshon Hora.

No, to get more money. Some properties she's gotten owners to hold out for more have sat for a year or more without getting sold in a neighborhood where homes often don't make it to market before getting sold

I think that's a little bit of an oversimplification of the issue.

I can understand your frustration, I have been there too, as were many of my friends. The bottom line is that it is a free market, and people aren't forced to sell at any price. Yet, as someone once told me "anything is for sale for the right price". People sell for various reasons, if they're sitting for a year or more then they don't really want to sell, but rather want to get the best possible deal, just like the buyers want to get the best possible deal. Since the person you are referring to is working as the seller's agent, it is their moral obligation to get the best possible deal for the seller. Sometimes that will mean a quick sale, and sometimes it will mean a higher selling price, and usually there's some kind of an equilibrium which will tip the scale and make the sale happen.

Houses aren't stocks or commodities. Every house is different (at the very least by virtue of the three L's, but usually there's more to it), and the market isn't as active and transparent (with publicly available bid and ask prices).

I was talking earlier this week to friend who bought a house a couple of years ago down the block from me, and is now going through the torture of dealing with renovations. He told me that he told someone who has been wanting to buy a house in Crown Heights for 20 years, that until he makes the mental switch to be willing to overpay, he is not likely to buy a house. I think he is absolutely right. Had I held out for the $16,000 overpayment back in 1997, or due to the higher rate I had to pay on my mortgage and PMI because I put down less than 20%, I might have not owned a home now. I recall several sales on my block, and with many of them I thought the guy overpaid, in retrospect anyone would have loved to purchase those houses for the prices those people "overpaid".

Will the market keep on going up? The cheap money is there, and the relentless demand for houses in good locations in Jewish communities will always be there, due to our lifestyle and family sizes, so the fundamentals to keep on driving prices up are there. Will there be hiccups such as 2008-2010? Probably yes, but when is anyone's guess.

If there was one distortion I would like to see corrected in the local housing sale market, it would be for some legal mechanism to prevent Real-Estate brokers/agents from being able to act as principals and flip houses. The cases where they put their own money in and flip houses is taking advantage of an ignorant seller for a quick profit. I don't know if there's a way to stop that.

And as for the rental market, I would make it illegal to charge the renter a broker's fee, it should be paid by the landlord. The landlord is more likely to pay the right price (and will issue a 1099-MISC, which renters will not) the landlord will build that cost into their entire cost structure (though with current NYC rent control laws, the market isn't a real free market).
« Last Edit: October 07, 2021, 10:45:50 AM by ExGingi »
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3664 on: October 07, 2021, 10:28:46 AM »
If there was one distortion I would like to see corrected in the local housing sale market, it would be for some legal mechanism to prevent Real-Estate brokers/agents from being able to act as principals and flip houses. The cases where they put their own money in and flip houses is taking advantage of an ignorant seller for a quick profit. I don't know if there's a way to stop that.
Besides the obvious and extreme conflict of interest.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3665 on: October 08, 2021, 06:32:21 PM »
It was abolished later on when it became known that the people running it were cheating by putting their friends in the front of the line.

FTFY

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3666 on: October 10, 2021, 10:25:41 AM »
FTFY

Please refrain from bringing up allegations for which you have absolutely no evidence, and IINM you weren't around when it was functioning.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3667 on: October 10, 2021, 12:28:52 PM »
Please refrain from bringing up allegations for which you have absolutely no evidence, and IINM you weren't around when it was functioning.

I have evidence (though you are right that I am too young to know first hand).

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3668 on: October 10, 2021, 12:34:48 PM »
I have evidence (though you are right that I am too young to know first hand).

Maybe you do, but I highly doubt that you have any evidence that would be acceptable in BD or a Court.

I am not saying that there weren't issues, and that when it was functioning (I have first-hand evidence that it did in my case) it was far from perfect. But a time came where it was no longer useful when Crown Heights (and Brooklyn in general) became a market that was attractive not only to Jews and to Blacks. As long as Linden, NJ is limited in its attractiveness the community power can keep prices from spiraling upwards beyond the general market. Once the general market is spiraling, a local community won't control it.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3670 on: October 29, 2021, 05:29:14 PM »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3671 on: October 30, 2021, 07:53:33 PM »

Cleveland can only win with a strawman argument

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3672 on: October 30, 2021, 08:03:47 PM »
where is סדום?

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3673 on: October 30, 2021, 08:33:44 PM »
I think we should rename this thread "The Pros of Cleveland and the Cons of where you live"

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3674 on: October 30, 2021, 09:46:51 PM »
Nu nu. It will have the same fate of the plastic bag ban, so far I'm getting these at my local stores, I guess it boils down to enforcement.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3675 on: October 30, 2021, 11:25:43 PM »
Nu nu. It will have the same fate of the plastic bag ban, so far I'm getting these at my local stores, I guess it boils down to enforcement.

Enforcement of having signs posted "plastic straws available upon request".  ::)
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3676 on: October 30, 2021, 11:40:50 PM »
Enforcement of having signs posted "plastic straws available upon request".  ::)
Finally have a sign to cover the "masks required" sign.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3677 on: October 31, 2021, 01:13:51 AM »
I think we should rename this thread "The Pros of Cleveland and the Cons of where you live"

Count "not having an annual marathon" as one of the pros for Cleveland (though I think 08701 could claim the same - but that claim would be washed away with just regular traffic).
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #3678 on: October 31, 2021, 01:58:35 AM »
Enforcement of having signs posted "plastic straws available upon request".  ::)
AFAIK stirrers and sticks of plastic are prohibited completely, and even straws I understand shops must have compostable ones for those not requesting plastic.

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