The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live

[thaber]

For context, parody of this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/View_of_the_World_from_9th_Avenue

[zh cohen]

https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/gemilas-chesed-offers-cash-incentive-to-plant-white-oak-roots/

[lcm]

https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/gemilas-chesed-offers-cash-incentive-to-plant-white-oak-roots/

The other half of what needs to be offered is jobs.

[aygart]

https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/gemilas-chesed-offers-cash-incentive-to-plant-white-oak-roots/

These places all do it wrong. The best way is to use that money to open a well paying decent sized kollel

[Dan]

These places all do it wrong. The best way is to use that money to open a well paying decent sized kollel

Already exists in Sq. Hill. Probably not looking for that type of community.

[aygart]

Already exists in Sq. Hill. Probably not looking for that type of community.

Of course, but this approach has never really worked.

[Dan]

Of course, but this approach has never really worked.

Why not?

[yelped]

These places all do it wrong. The best way is to use that money to open a well paying decent sized kollel

"A monthly stipend of $1,250 is given to each family that participates in minyan daily and spends one hour each day learning at the shul.".

This initiative seems like it's the best of both worlds.

[aygart]

Why not?

This has been tried so many times and never works. I can speculate why. The only way for such a thing to work is if the original core group leads to more following them. The targets here are less likely to create an overall change in the trajectory of the community.

"A monthly stipend of $1,250 is given to each family that participates in minyan daily and spends one hour each day learning at the shul.".

This initiative seems like it's the best of both worlds.

Are the targets here the ones who will be attracted to that and will they attract others?

[YitzyS]

I know Dan keeps pointing to this thread (number 21675) as the Cleveland thread, but isn't it telling when the thread Cleveland Zip Code thread (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=44122) is about a plane crash??

[Dan]

I know Dan keeps pointing to this thread (number 21675) as the Cleveland thread, but isn't it telling when the thread Cleveland Zip Code thread (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=44122) is about a plane crash??

Most people moving to town are going to this zip if they want vouchers https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=44118

[zh cohen]

The best way is to use that money to open a well paying decent sized kollel

They are spending up to $1.2 million over 5 years. How big can your kollel be for $250K a year?

[aygart]

They are spending up to $1.2 million over 5 years. How big can your kollel be for $250K a year?

Maybe they need a little more but not tons. Change the structure and give 30k to a down payment and then only the kollel check. Combined with low cost housing it can be everything so many are looking for. A kollel adds that they make community programs that attract outsiders too.

[Dan]

A kollel adds that they make community programs that attract outsiders too.

The outsiders are still moving to the Sq Hill area, where there's a kollel, schools, and infrastructure. There's a low cost housing nearby in Greenfield. And both are much closer for commuting to downtown PIT.

[ExGingi]

The other half of what needs to be offered is jobs.

+10000

That's what brought Jewish communities to various places to begin with. Slaughterhouses and other jobs. Bring a big employer that will cater to a frum crowd, along with some infrastructure (at least a mikvah, a pre-school and a grocery store. Some will say also a Pizza store) and you can get people to move in.

Another option is to offer the building (or buildings if they exist) to a Yeshiva. A Yeshiva will be happy to get a good building for free, and will bring the staff, families etc. and build a community around it.

[farmbochur]

The outsiders are still moving to the Sq Hill area, where there's a kollel, schools, and infrastructure. There's a low cost housing nearby in Greenfield. And both are much closer for commuting to downtown PIT.

To be fair, not too many people are commuting to downtown these days. Still, the commute to schools would be a pain.

[aygart]

The outsiders are still moving to the Sq Hill area, where there's a kollel, schools, and infrastructure. There's a low cost housing nearby in Greenfield. And both are much closer for commuting to downtown PIT.

Their only hope is to change that dynamic. The current approach does nothing at all on that front.

[Dan]

To be fair, not too many people are commuting to downtown these days.

Is that really a systemic change?

[lcm]

+10000

That's what brought Jewish communities to various places to begin with. Slaughterhouses and other jobs. Bring a big employer that will cater to a frum crowd, along with some infrastructure (at least a mikvah, a pre-school and a grocery store. Some will say also a Pizza store) and you can get people to move in.

Another option is to offer the building (or buildings if they exist) to a Yeshiva. A Yeshiva will be happy to get a good building for free, and will bring the staff, families etc. and build a community around it.

+1

[avromie7]

Another option is to offer the building (or buildings if they exist) to a Yeshiva. A Yeshiva will be happy to get a good building for free, and will bring the staff, families etc. and build a community around it.

This can work. The 2 places I can think of didn't have a large community build around it, but they did keep the shul from dying.