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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #150 on: January 13, 2013, 07:07:12 PM »
How about Toronto?
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The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #151 on: January 13, 2013, 08:00:02 PM »
You have to break down NYC.
I live in far rockaway.
Pros
Easy parking

Job market is good even without a degree/experience.

Very good mid range eateries 

Spacious

No one cares what his neighbour is doing

Decent amount of minyanim.(Compare to OOT)

Cons
To go anywhere in the tri state area could take up to 4 hours with traffic

Rent is expensive. 

They don't have a real minyan factory. (Compare to brooklyn)

Your next to lawrence.

I don't have any kids so I can't tell you about tuition but for the first couple years of marriage this is the general picture. 


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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #152 on: January 13, 2013, 08:03:53 PM »
You have to break down NYC.
I live in far rockaway.
Pros
Easy parking

Job market is good even without a degree/experience.

Very good mid range eateries 

Spacious

No one cares what his neighbour is doing

Decent amount of minyanim.(Compare to OOT)

Cons
To go anywhere in the tri state area could take up to 4 hours with traffic

Rent is expensive. 

They don't have a real minyan factory. (Compare to brooklyn)

Your next to lawrence.

I don't have any kids so I can't tell you about tuition but for the first couple years of marriage this is the general picture. 


"Your next to lawrence. " LOL :)

Another con is crime if you take the subway to Mott avenue. It is not to pretty at night.

ETA- took the bus one night because subway was broken and I saw a person punch the bus driver in the face and then shatter the rear view mirror with another punch. Bus driver said someone call the cops, but I opted not to #onlywhiteguyonthebus ;)
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #153 on: January 13, 2013, 08:04:51 PM »
You have to break down NYC.
I live in far rockaway.
Pros
Easy parking

Job market is good even without a degree/experience.

Very good mid range eateries 

Spacious

No one cares what his neighbour is doing

Decent amount of minyanim.(Compare to OOT)

Cons
To go anywhere in the tri state area could take up to 4 hours with traffic

Rent is expensive. 

They don't have a real minyan factory. (Compare to brooklyn)

Your next to lawrence.

I don't have any kids so I can't tell you about tuition but for the first couple years of marriage this is the general picture.
interestiong how many of the cons (and pros for that matter) are very subjective. I doubt anyone in Lawrence would say this

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #154 on: January 13, 2013, 08:12:06 PM »
interestiong how many of the cons (and pros for that matter) are very subjective. I doubt anyone in Lawrence would say this
This is my opinion. Some people couldn't care less about minyanim.
Some don't care about restaurants.

I personally don't like to be near lawrence. I think a lot of them are very stuck up people (I work in lawrence). I'm not saying there aren't not stuck up people but I would not want my kids to be around or hang out in lawrence neighbourhood especially when it comes to tzinius I feel that they missed the boat.   
These are things that I take into factor.
For someone else it could be a whole different picture. 
     


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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #155 on: January 13, 2013, 08:14:34 PM »
This is my opinion. Some people couldn't care less about minyanim.
Some don't care about restaurants.

I personally don't like to be near lawrence. I think a lot of them are very stuck up people (I work in lawrence). I'm not saying there aren't not stuck up people but I would not want my kids to be around or hang out in lawrence neighbourhood especially when it comes to tzinius I feel that they missed the boat.   
These are things that I take into factor.
For someone else it could be a whole different picture. 
   
+100 i could have quoted almost anyone of the posts did not mean yours in particular (except u had a very pointed comment in one community about another community) :)

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #156 on: January 14, 2013, 06:39:05 AM »
+100 i could have quoted almost anyone of the posts did not mean yours in particular (except u had a very pointed comment in one community about another community) :)

meir u happen to be very right, and i agree with you, but you have to realize the negative is more viewd here, i know plenty of frum ppl in lawrence who are yeshiva-lite (tznius and the works). BUT i too would most likely never move near that particular same reason, because even though there is positive frum ppl there, but what we all see is the negative!

You have to break down NYC.
I live in far rockaway.
Pros
Easy parking

Job market is good even without a degree/experience.

Very good mid range eateries 

Spacious

No one cares what his neighbour is doing ?!?

Decent amount of minyanim.(Compare to OOT)

Cons
To go anywhere in the tri state area could take up to 4 hours with traffic

Rent is expensive. 

They don't have a real minyan factory. (Compare to brooklyn)

Your next to lawrence.

I don't have any kids so I can't tell you about tuition but for the first couple years of marriage this is the general picture. 



to me this is an issue very applicable in the five towns in general, (including parts of queens  ;)
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #157 on: January 14, 2013, 03:18:57 PM »
when looking to move to a place, what are the main considerations to take into account? sure alot of minyanim, 5 grocery stores etc are great, eateries are ncie as well but it's more of a luxury and not a necessity. I'ts not why we move to a place. (IMO) I'm assuming it's about jobs, money, expenses, chinuch, safety, affordable housing, and community.

here's my list so far of questions i would need answers for, please critique and feel free to add things i should think about. I'm Chabad, so somethings are not pertinent to all people but it may make a diff to me.

Expenses
income tax (1099/W2)
Gas
Health Insurance
Housing (buying)
Housing (rent)
Food
(are there options for food stamps or other government help)
Chinuch
(are there breaks for teachers/small income and what)

Community:
Safety
Unity (one rabbi, central shul, or many shuls, no authority)
Proper Chinuch, full school or only certain grades
Modern/religious trend
Young or old neighborhood (social reasons)

I have a small business that is mobile so jobs is not an issue (BH) for me, but obviously that's a major player.

The places i'm currently looking at are
Cleveland - Saw Dans write up, very imformative!
Pittsburgh - Have access to info, but would appreciate any input!
Baltimore
North Miami Beach
Los angeles (or driving distance from the schools there, would live in a shlichus community with a commute)


any other places I should consider?

my main reason for wanting to move: is to get away from the city life, where it's all about competition, and who has what etc, there is no unity in CH, and therefore no proper chinuch, hectic life and very expensive. I'm not looking for people to convince me out of my opinion nor am I imposing it onto others. this is just the way I feel

What am I looking for: Affordable housing, a bit of more quiet, some younger families (20+) for a social life (that they should be interested in growing in yiddishkeit) good chinuch (or at least better than CH)
Feel free to PM me if you have info and would like to talk :)

Disclaimer: This post was not meant to be controversial in any way, it's just my opinion and interests.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #158 on: January 14, 2013, 03:24:10 PM »
Full is $8K-$11K at HAC, discounts are given for multiple children and based on income of course.
I know of people making low 6 figures with 4 kids who get a nice break but of course you'll have to share your 1040 and negotiate I'm sure.

any concrete numbers?

any discounts if you or wife teach in the school?
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #159 on: January 14, 2013, 03:25:03 PM »
when looking to move to a place, what are the main considerations to take into account? sure alot of minyanim, 5 grocery stores etc are great, eateries are ncie as well but it's more of a luxury and not a necessity. I'ts not why we move to a place. (IMO) I'm assuming it's about money, money, money, chinuch, safety, money, and community.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #160 on: January 14, 2013, 03:28:23 PM »
ftfy  ;D
i'm being serious here, lets try to keep on task. obviously money is an issue
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #161 on: January 14, 2013, 03:37:38 PM »
I can write what I know about PIT, but it won't be comprehensive.

The jewish community is in Squirrel Hill.  This is one of very few Jewish communities that haven't flocked towards the suburbs.  It's relatively safe for city living, but not nearly as safe as other suburban communities.

Pros:
-A Chabad school from Pre-K through Mesivta, though some may call this a con.  It's run incompetently but there are precious few Chabad schools with English and this is the best of the sorry bunch.  Only highlights IMHO are the 9th grade Rebbi and Mr. J, the social studies teacher.  Many do move here for the school though.
-Not technically in the Midwest (or any other region), but people are much friendlier than on the East Coast.
-Many major cities (Baltimore, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, NYC, Toronto, etc) are within driving distance.
-A nice growing young community, fueled by natives moving back home.
-Rita's. 'Nuff said :D

Cons:
-Extremely hilly.  Expect to fall in the winter as ice storms can be common. 
-The kosher restaurant scene is non-existent.  Just a mediocre pizza shop and a bakery in the grocery store.
-Job market can be very tough and most of the community is quite poor (hence the dozen restaurant closures in the past dozen years) and rely on housing boarders for the small extra income that provides at the sacrifice of privacy.
-Houses are from the 1800s and often need major repairs and updating.  Housing is cheap by coastal standards but high compared to most midwestern cities.  Rentals are also very high and hard to find.  Many young couples are moving away from Squirrel Hill to Greenfield is search of affordable housing.
-Most houses don't have garages, and street parking can be hard, especially in the winter.
-Pretty limited shul options.
-The Chabad community is run like a small mafia, shlichus opportunities are generally reserved for those related to the head shliach, and there's little tolerance for any dissent.

Any locals care to chime in/disagree?
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #162 on: January 14, 2013, 03:38:30 PM »
any concrete numbers?

any discounts if you or wife teach in the school?
I think you'd have to call to get concrete number and discuss discounts.  But, yes, I'm sure there are discounts for teachers.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #163 on: January 14, 2013, 03:53:00 PM »
Lakewood:
Pro: Lots of kids
Con: Hell to get your kids into any school

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #164 on: January 14, 2013, 03:56:54 PM »

-The Chabad community is run like a small mafia, shlichus opportunities are generally reserved for those related to the head shliach, and there's little tolerance for any dissent.

Any locals care to chime in/disagree?

i would just say that although this type of community setup with one top person etc is limiting in a way, it helps create achdus, and helps to create a structured environment. which can help as well. If you have an issue in CH with tuition, the rabbi tells you to go ask the school, the school says go to the board the board says go to... etc. Here you go to one place and get it worked out.
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