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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #360 on: April 05, 2013, 04:11:22 PM »
So far you've admitted the lubavitch area is not good and the yeshivish area hires security to keep people safe.
It may not be dangerous but that hardly sounds ideal to me.

It's more dangerous than people think. Stories aren't always talked about. Plenty of incidents of people getting attacked at night, even during the day on main streets. And I know people who have woken up to find their cars on cinder blocks with the tires gone. Cars get stolen. It doesn't happen every day, all the time but it certainly does happen. And the truth is while people may feel safe walking down the streets at night in their neighborhoods its a bit of a false sense of security.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #361 on: April 05, 2013, 04:12:55 PM »
It's more dangerous than people think. Stories aren't always talked about. Plenty of incidents of people getting attacked at night, even during the day on main streets. And I know people who have woken up to find their cars on cinder blocks with the tires gone. Cars get stolen. It doesn't happen every day, all the time but it certainly does happen. And the truth is while people may feel safe walking down the streets at night in their neighborhoods its a bit of a false sense of security.
That's what I suspected.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #362 on: April 05, 2013, 04:53:52 PM »
It's more dangerous than people think. Stories aren't always talked about. Plenty of incidents of people getting attacked at night, even during the day on main streets. And I know people who have woken up to find their cars on cinder blocks with the tires gone. Cars get stolen. It doesn't happen every day, all the time but it certainly does happen. And the truth is while people may feel safe walking down the streets at night in their neighborhoods its a bit of a false sense of security.
i speak as a visitor (fairly frequent) and i feel no different in the yeshiva area or the parts of southfield that i frequent, than i do in my parents 'hood in chicago

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #363 on: April 05, 2013, 05:03:28 PM »
i speak as a visitor (fairly frequent) and i feel no different in the yeshiva area or the parts of southfield that i frequent, than i do in my parents 'hood in chicago
West rogers park? Who said that's any safer?
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #364 on: April 05, 2013, 05:51:02 PM »
So far you've admitted the lubavitch area is not good and the yeshivish area hires security to keep people safe.
It may not be dangerous but that hardly sounds ideal to me.
I don't care what ppl think about detroit I'm not one of those guys who get all worked up that there city is better. I don't think ppl should move here its just not bec of the security aspect.



If you were able to get security sponsored for your neighborhood you wouldn't????

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #365 on: April 05, 2013, 05:53:24 PM »
I don't care what ppl think about detroit I'm not one of those guys who get all worked up that there city is better. I don't think ppl should move here its just not bec of the security aspect.



If you were able to get security sponsored for your neighborhood you wouldn't????

And I still think people should consider Detroit and that's WITH the safety situation.

And the security that goes around the city is kind of a joke. Detroit would be better off with Shomrim. Or neighborhood watch programs like Baltimores for example.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #366 on: April 05, 2013, 06:08:12 PM »
And I still think people should consider Detroit and that's WITH the safety situation.

And the security that goes around the city is kind of a joke. Detroit would be better off with Shomrim. Or neighborhood watch programs like Baltimores for example.
Why would you suggest ppl to move here?


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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #367 on: April 05, 2013, 06:16:36 PM »
If you were able to get security sponsored for your neighborhood you wouldn't????
Nope, would be a complete waste of money.  Better to let them subsidize schooling.

There are people in shul that come packing heat and that's good enough for me in case of a Mumbai situation cv"s.  Though the odds of terrorists picking CLE would have to be a lot lower than MIA/NYC/LAX/ORD.  Especially if they know about OH concealed carry laws :D
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #368 on: April 05, 2013, 06:19:54 PM »
If you were able to get security sponsored for your neighborhood you wouldn't????

If that ever did happen in Beachwood the police themselves would be on every street corner.

But regardless it's a silly argument. Would you also want a nuclear hazzmat team escorting you home if it was free, in case of a soviet attack? I hope you understand the example, if there is no reason for it 1. It wouldn't be there and 2. It wouldn't be necessary even if it is "free". This is all assuming Beachwood is as safe as Dan says. Which as of now from my understanding I agree it is.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #369 on: April 05, 2013, 06:20:41 PM »
Nope, would be a complete waste of money.  Better to let them subsidize schooling.


They only subsidize so much this dsnt make a diff

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #370 on: April 05, 2013, 06:25:29 PM »
Why would you suggest ppl to move here?




I'm not saying Detroit is the place to be. But its def a place for people to consider. Smaller city.  Fairly friendly people. Less black and white than a lot of other places. 4 seasons. Cheaper housing. Etc.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #371 on: April 05, 2013, 06:26:00 PM »
Everyone likes to believe where they live is safe. Perception is not reality.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #372 on: April 05, 2013, 06:31:12 PM »
Everyone likes to believe where they live is safe.
Not in my 'hood.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #373 on: April 05, 2013, 06:40:36 PM »
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #374 on: April 05, 2013, 06:43:45 PM »
Everyone likes to believe where they live is safe. Perception is not reality.
I feel safe basically everywhere I go. Ignorance is bliss :)
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #375 on: April 05, 2013, 06:46:43 PM »
I feel safe basically everywhere I go.
I take the opposite approach.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #376 on: April 05, 2013, 06:49:18 PM »
I take the opposite approach.

You can feel 'safe' and still be aware, prepared, cautious.

I don't feel scared in my city as well but I'm no fool as to what goes on. And I try to make smart choices. 

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #377 on: April 05, 2013, 06:52:11 PM »
You can feel 'safe' and still be aware, prepared, cautious
Maybe you really don't feel safe?  ;)
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #378 on: April 05, 2013, 06:54:17 PM »
Maybe you really don't feel safe?  ;)

I guess you wouldn't say I feel completely safe, but I don't feel scared. Maybe it's just the lack of focusing on it completely.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #379 on: April 05, 2013, 07:02:15 PM »
Nope, would be a complete waste of money.  Better to let them subsidize schooling.

There are people in shul that come packing heat and that's good enough for me in case of a Mumbai situation cv"s.  Though the odds of terrorists picking CLE would have to be a lot lower than MIA/NYC/LAX/ORD.  Especially if they know about OH concealed carry laws :D
people come to shul in cle on shabbos packing heat?  ???(i only know one person who always packs heat but thats because he is a chaplain you probably know who im talking about though  ::)