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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1140 on: July 15, 2014, 03:16:34 PM »
This list in incredibly inaccurate!

Dallas more expensive than the valley in LA ?!

Manhattan cheaper than Pico?!

on and on...

Who came up with this baloney?
You're misreading it, try again.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1141 on: July 15, 2014, 03:18:28 PM »
http://matthewcaseywilliams.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/the-most-affordable-places-in-the-us-to-raise-your-committed-jewish-family/
If you click through to where he posts the numbers, you'll see that he used an average house price of $78k for Cleveland and $260k for Houston. Do you think those numbers represent the actual average cost of a house in the frum neighborhoods of each city?

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1142 on: July 15, 2014, 03:26:39 PM »
You're misreading it, try again.

How am I misreading ? 26 comes before 29, no?
IE per his chart valley is cheaper than Dallas?

Also he says house in valley avg $350k. Umm - try more like 800k...
unless you want to live in Tijuana, CA...

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1143 on: July 15, 2014, 03:27:35 PM »
How am I misreading ? 26 comes before 29, no?
IE per his chart valley is cheaper than Dallas?

Also he says house in valley avg $350k. Umm - try more like 800k...
unless you want to live in Tijuana, CA...
Most to least expensive:
Palo Alto, CA
Manhattan, NY
Teaneck, NJ
San Francisco, CA
Lake View, Chicago, IL
Great Neck, NY
Beverlywood, LA, CA
Boston, MA
Englewood, NJ
Washington, D.C.
Brooklyn, NY
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
San Diego, CA
Boca Raton, FL
Seattle, WA
Five Towns, NY
Dallas, TX
Potomic, MD
Riverdale, NY
White Plains, NY
Far Rockaway, NY
Atlanta, GA
Staten Island, NY
Miami, FL
Denver, CO
Springfield/Orange, NJ
Queens, NY
Silver Spring, MD
Houston, TX
Edison, NJ
Ann Arbor, MI
San Fernado Valley, LA, CA
Philadelphia, PA
Portland, ME
Skokie, Chicago, IL
Charlotte, NC
Cherry Hill, NJ
West Rogers Park, Chicago, IL
Passaic, NJ
Elizabeth, NJ
Pittsburgh, PA
Baltimore, MD
St. Louis, MO
Memphis, TN
Kansas City, MO
Columbus, OH
Milwaukee, WI
Buffalo, NY
Cleveland, OH
Detroit, MI
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1144 on: July 15, 2014, 03:31:02 PM »
Most to least expensive:
Palo Alto, CA
Manhattan, NY
Teaneck, NJ
San Francisco, CA
Lake View, Chicago, IL
Great Neck, NY
Beverlywood, LA, CA
Boston, MA
Englewood, NJ
Washington, D.C.
Brooklyn, NY
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
San Diego, CA
Boca Raton, FL
Seattle, WA
Five Towns, NY
Dallas, TX
Potomic, MD
Riverdale, NY
White Plains, NY
Far Rockaway, NY
Atlanta, GA
Staten Island, NY
Miami, FL
Denver, CO
Springfield/Orange, NJ
Queens, NY
Silver Spring, MD
Houston, TX
Edison, NJ
Ann Arbor, MI
San Fernado Valley, LA, CA
Philadelphia, PA
Portland, ME
Skokie, Chicago, IL
Charlotte, NC
Cherry Hill, NJ
West Rogers Park, Chicago, IL
Passaic, NJ
Elizabeth, NJ
Pittsburgh, PA
Baltimore, MD
St. Louis, MO
Memphis, TN
Kansas City, MO
Columbus, OH
Milwaukee, WI
Buffalo, NY
Cleveland, OH
Detroit, MI

Huh? What am I missing? on this chart too you've got Dallas as more expensive than San Fernando Valley?

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1145 on: July 15, 2014, 03:34:20 PM »
Below is the updated top 58, in increasing expense. Also, here is his data/rationale: http://matthewcaseywilliams.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/top-58-with-data/

  • Kiryas Joel, NY
  • Detroit, MI
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Rochester, NY
  • Buffalo, NY
  • Monsey, NY
  • Memphis, TN
  • Milwaukee, WI
  • St. Louis, MO
  • Passaic, NJ
  • Portland, ME
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Far Rockaway, NY
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Houston, TX
  • Columbus, OH
  • Denver, CO
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Ft. Lauderdale, FL
  • Ann Arbor, MI
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Elizabeth, NJ
  • Seattle, WA
  • Atlanta, GA
  • San Fernado Valley, LA, CA
  • Miami, FL
  • Skokie, Chicago, IL
  • Dallas, TX
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • West Rogers Park, Chicago, IL
  • Queens, NY
  • Brooklyn, NY
  • San Diego, CA
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Staten Island, NY
  • Manhattan, NY
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Boca Raton, FL
  • Lakeview, Chicago, IL
  • Silver Spring, MD
  • Riverdale, NY
  • San Francisco, CA
  • White Plains, NY
  • Englewood, NJ
  • Washington, D.C.
  • West Orange/Livingston/Springfield, NJ
  • Great Neck, NY
  • Irvine, CA
  • Edison, NJ
  • Lower Merion, PA
  • Teaneck, NJ
  • Cherry Hill, NJ
  • Boston, MA
  • Five Towns, NY
  • Beverlywood, LA, CA
  • Palo Alto, CA
  • Potomac, MD
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1146 on: July 15, 2014, 03:35:29 PM »
how is riverdale cheaper than dallas or Miami or far rockaway?

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1147 on: July 15, 2014, 03:40:24 PM »
Here's the updated top 58, in increasing expense:

Kiryas Joel, NY
Detroit, MI
Cleveland, OH
Rochester, NY
Buffalo, NY
Monsey, NY
Memphis, TN
Milwaukee, WI
St. Louis, MO
Passaic, NJ
Portland, ME
Baltimore, MD
Far Rockaway, NY
Lakewood, NJ
Houston, TX
Columbus, OH
Denver, CO
Kansas City, KS
Phoenix, AZ
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Ann Arbor, MI
Pittsburgh, PA
Elizabeth, NJ
Seattle, WA
Atlanta, GA
San Fernado Valley, LA, CA
Miami, FL
Skokie, Chicago, IL
Dallas, TX
Las Vegas, NV
West Rogers Park, Chicago, IL
Queens, NY
Brooklyn, NY
San Diego, CA
Charlotte, NC
Staten Island, NY
Manhattan, NY
Philadelphia, PA
Boca Raton, FL
Lakeview, Chicago, IL
Silver Spring, MD
Riverdale, NY
San Francisco, CA
White Plains, NY
Englewood, NJ
Washington, D.C.
West Orange/Livingston/Springfield, NJ
Great Neck, NY
Irvine, CA
Edison, NJ
Lower Merion, PA
Teaneck, NJ
Cherry Hill, NJ
Boston, MA
Five Towns, NY
Beverlywood, LA, CA
Palo Alto, CA
Potomac, MD

One of us is either hung over or very overtired... How does switching chart from most expensive to least and then vice versa answer my question?


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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1148 on: July 15, 2014, 03:40:51 PM »

This list is incredibly inaccurate!

Dallas more expensive than the valley in LA ?!

Manhattan cheaper than Pico?!

on and on...

Who came up with this baloney?
You're misreading it, try again.
Still inaccurate, there is no way Dallas is more expensive than Far Rockaway. My guess is that his inaccuracies are bc He is getting his average prices from trulia which includes ALL the homes in that neighborhood.So there may be many cheap homes in far rockaway but those houses are nowhere near the Jewish community.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1149 on: July 15, 2014, 03:42:48 PM »
If you click through to where he posts the numbers, you'll see that he used an average house price of $78k for Cleveland and $260k for Houston. Do you think those numbers represent the actual average cost of a house in the frum neighborhoods of each city?
True, they should really be using frum zip codes.  Definitely a flaw.
But even Zip codes will be far from perfect. Really need a 1 mile radius from every shul...
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1150 on: July 15, 2014, 03:43:44 PM »
Still inaccurate, there is no way Dallas is more expensive than Far Rockaway. My guess is that his inaccuracies are bc He is getting his average prices from trulia which includes ALL the homes in that neighborhood.So there may be many cheap homes in far rockaway but those houses are nowhere near the Jewish community.

My point exactly.


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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1151 on: July 15, 2014, 03:44:20 PM »
One of us is either hung over or very overtired... How does switching chart from most expensive to least and then vice versa answer my question?

Must be you who is hung over or very overtired, as I wasn't responding to you. You'll note the lack of a quote.
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1152 on: July 15, 2014, 03:45:06 PM »
True, they should really be using frum zip codes.  Definitely a flaw.
But even Zip codes will be far from perfect. Really need a 1 mile radius from every shul...

Yeps - a MAJOR flaw since real estate is one of largest costs of frum living...

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1153 on: July 15, 2014, 03:47:02 PM »
Yeps - a MAJOR flaw since real estate is one of largest costs of frum living...
Not sure I'd call it major.
Most cities are where they belong more or less (as houses in all cities near shuls are pushed higher) but there are a few places where things are just more skewed than others.

Income is also problematic, I guarantee you the average frum household in CLE isn't scraping by on $25K :D
But it balances out due to the low house prices they use...
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1154 on: July 15, 2014, 03:47:49 PM »
Must be you who is hung over or very overtired, as I wasn't responding to you. You'll note the lack of a quote.

Aha. My apologies.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1155 on: July 15, 2014, 03:48:04 PM »
Below is the updated top 58, in increasing expense. Also, here is his data/rationale: http://matthewcaseywilliams.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/top-58-with-data/

  • Kiryas Joel, NY
  • Detroit, MI
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Rochester, NY
  • Buffalo, NY
  • Monsey, NY
  • Memphis, TN
  • Milwaukee, WI
  • St. Louis, MO
  • Passaic, NJ
  • Portland, ME
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Far Rockaway, NY
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Houston, TX
  • Columbus, OH
  • Denver, CO
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Ft. Lauderdale, FL
  • Ann Arbor, MI
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Elizabeth, NJ
  • Seattle, WA
  • Atlanta, GA
  • San Fernado Valley, LA, CA
  • Miami, FL
  • Skokie, Chicago, IL
  • Dallas, TX
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • West Rogers Park, Chicago, IL
  • Queens, NY
  • Brooklyn, NY
  • San Diego, CA
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Staten Island, NY
  • Manhattan, NY
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Boca Raton, FL
  • Lakeview, Chicago, IL
  • Silver Spring, MD
  • Riverdale, NY
  • San Francisco, CA
  • White Plains, NY
  • Englewood, NJ
  • Washington, D.C.
  • West Orange/Livingston/Springfield, NJ
  • Great Neck, NY
  • Irvine, CA
  • Edison, NJ
  • Lower Merion, PA
  • Teaneck, NJ
  • Cherry Hill, NJ
  • Boston, MA
  • Five Towns, NY
  • Beverlywood, LA, CA
  • Palo Alto, CA
  • Potomac, MD
Kiryas Joel, NY most affordable place to live... Not in this life cycle.

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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1156 on: July 15, 2014, 03:48:21 PM »
Monsey at #6? Is that a joke?
Livingston/Springfield at 47?
Something is very wrong with this list
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1157 on: July 15, 2014, 03:49:37 PM »


Something is very wrong with this list
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1158 on: July 15, 2014, 03:51:54 PM »
San Diego at 34? It should be top five most expensive
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Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
« Reply #1159 on: July 15, 2014, 03:52:37 PM »
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People are seeing the light...

The list has gotten some things right (yes, Cleveland is cheaper than Manhattan, as is Buffalo, etc.. :)  but once you get into detail nothing is really in proper order...