The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live

[Dan]

San Diego at 34? It should be top five most expensive

The numbers are based on housing prices and income of the city as a whole.  It's got nothing to do with frum communities per se other than the sampling is of places with frum populations.

But those numbers will be hard/impossible to get ahold of. And this is the next best thing.

[avrumy22]

If you click through to where he posts the numbers, you'll see that he used an average house price of $78k for Cleveland and $260k for Houston. Do you think those numbers represent the actual average cost of a house in the frum neighborhoods of each city?

http://www.relocatehouston.org/
The Brays Oaks area is particularly affordable, with home prices in the eruv averaging just $225k.

Here is hard data from the Jewish community that actually lives there. I am not saying it is the cheapest place in the frum world but with no individual income tax among other things, makes in very affordable.

[avrumy22]

The numbers are based on housing prices and income of the city as a whole.  It's got nothing to do with frum communities per se other than the sampling is of places with frum populations.

But those numbers will be hard/impossible to get a hold of. And this is the next best thing.

Not at all. As i linked in my previous comment, most out of town communities have a site with actual hard data for moving into their community. I am not saying that anyone here needs to spend their entire fast day complying a list, but it can be done and would be way more accurate.

[Dan]

Not at all. As i linked in my previous comment, most out of town communities have a site with actual hard data for moving into their community. I am not saying that anyone here needs to spend their entire fast day complying a list, but it can be done and would be way more accurate.

I highly doubt most frum communities have accurate housing and income data.

[avrumy22]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/14/southern-synagogue-revitalized-by-1m-program-to-recruit-jews-to-small-alabama/

[Ergel]

Lots of this list meaningless. Not sure that is "the next best thing"
Again, I have personal knowledge that the Jewish community in La Jolla is probably #2 or #3 on this list. putting it in the middle of the pack is a joke

[Dan]

Lots of this list meaningless. Not sure that is "the next best thing"
Again, I have personal knowledge that the Jewish community in La Jolla is probably #2 or #3 on this list. putting it in the middle of the pack is a joke

La Jolla isn't on the list.  SD isn't including that.  And it has nothing to do with where the jews live, that's the biggest flaw and will be seen the most in places where Jews live in places that are way off from the city median.

I think for the most part it's accurate enough with the flawed/limited data it works on.  I'm sure there are a few that are way out of place, but top to bottom it looks more correct than incorrect.

[kaman]

Isn't tax a big missing piece? Real Estate Tax+ Income Tax is much higher in NJ over anywhere else. That could move the needle on some of these calculations

[Ergel]

How are the averages on trulia and zillow so disparate?

[skyguy918]

La Jolla isn't on the list.  SD isn't including that.  And it has nothing to do with where the jews live, that's the biggest flaw and will be seen the most in places where Jews live in places that are way off from the city median.

I think for the most part it's accurate enough with the flawed/limited data it works on.  I'm sure there are a few that are way out of place, but top to bottom it looks more correct than incorrect.

The fact that the list overall looks more or less in line with your view of the matter does not validate it as a good list, even if your view was the most correct. Everyone is pointing out the reason that the methodology is flawed. If the methodology is flawed, you don't get to pick and choose what's good from the results, the results are all flawed.

[Dan]

It's flawed methodology if you're looking for frum areas only.

But if you're looking at cities as a whole it's correct. Therefore it gives a good idea for most places where the immediate frum community isn't priced at massive multiples over avg/median house prices.

[Chaikel]

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/18200-Shaker-Blvd-Shaker-Heights-OH-44120/33684544_zpid/

And a house like this in NYC/MIA/LAX/CHI/YYZ would cost...

[Yehoshua]

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/18200-Shaker-Blvd-Shaker-Heights-OH-44120/33684544_zpid/

And a house like this in NYC/MIA/LAX/CHI/YYZ would cost...

Location, location, location!!

[Ergel]

YYZ it would be $3 mil easy

[EJB]

Taxes aren't too low though in CLE (over 30k). House was a foreclosure prob Bc of the taxes.

[Dan]

Taxes aren't too low though in CLE (over 30k). House was a foreclosure prob Bc of the taxes.

That's not CLE, that's Shaker Heights.
I think they may have the highest property tax rate in the country at 4% of home value.  Beachwood is half that.

[eis517]

YYZ it would be $3 mil easy

with land that size, at least 4-5 mil     and the property taxes would be insane

[Ergel]

with land that size, at least 4-5 mil     and the property taxes would be insane

I think they would be comparable (30k)

[eis517]

I think they would be comparable (30k)

Sorry- I meant toronto proper and I assumed you were talking about Thill. Toronto properties are pricier and property taxes are significantly more.

[Ergel]

True. Taxes would be in the 50-60k range