IS this flight allowed for a jew ?

[skyguy918]

heard it and I heard the Rosh absolutely destroy it based on so many levels of halacha.I think he gave us a shiur just to prove how ludicrous it was to light on a plane in the bathroom.

Obviously as a practical matter I would imagine it's assur because of sakana. But I heard a whole shiur on the chiyuv of hadlakas ner chanukah and the theoretical question of whether one is michuyav in and/or can be mikayem the mitzvah on a plane was discuss. It bears relevance to the discussion of soldiers in the field, for example. I can't remember who it was, but someone of note held there may be a chiyuv, and the rest of the shiur was explaining how just about everyone else holds otherwise and it's hard to explain that lone shitah.

[PlatinumGuy]

There is no sakana in lighting candles on board, it used to be allowed to smoke on board.

Foreign carriers like SQ and EK usually let F pax smoke in the lav (UNOFFICIALLY).

The issue is that a plane isn't a residence and since one doesnt reside there one cannot light there.

[jj1000]

The issue is that a plane isn't a residence and since one doesnt reside there one cannot light there.

+1 that was the gist of the shiur. Not to mention it is a bathroom...

[Galitzyaner]

+1 that was the gist of the shiur. Not to mention it is a bathroom...

That issue (in and of itself) is not necessarily problematic in view of some contemporary poskim who hold that modern day lavatories are not necessarily of the same halachic status of the beis hakisei of old (for sure when you close the toilet bowl/make a mechitza etc), I don't recall the makor at the moment.

[Dan]

That issue (in and of itself) is not necessarily problematic in view of some contemporary poskim who hold that modern day lavatories are not necessarily of the same halachic status of the beis hakisei of old (for sure when you close the toilet bowl/make a mechitza etc)

Obviously you've never stepped foot in an airplane lav if you think closing the bowl will separate you from anything

[moko]

True story - a rabbi in melbourne flew on chanukah. middle of the flight, him, his wife, and kid, went into the bathroom with a blanket. they covered the fire alarm, and proceeded to light the menorah. 25 minutes later, there was already banging on the door. but they had finished and they casually went back to their seats.
ask chabad ppl from melbourne it's quite a known story, and pretty typical of the rabbi in the story.

take a look at what  piskei teshuvos has to say about this

[skyguy918]

There is no sakana in lighting candles on board, it used to be allowed to smoke on board.

Foreign carriers like SQ and EK usually let F pax smoke in the lav (UNOFFICIALLY).

The issue is that a plane isn't a residence and since one doesnt reside there one cannot light there.

In turbulence you can hold on to a cigarette. Preventing the candles from falling or the menorah from getting knocked down may not be as simple.

As I said, the issue is whether there is anything to create the chiyuv, after all the mitzvah is ner ish ubaiso. But as I said, there is at least one shita that held you are michuyav to light in a similar situation. I don't remember who was quoted in the shiur I heard, but a quick search turns up the fact that the Maharsham paskened that one is mechuyav to light on a train. The psak appears to be even for coach type seating. Almost no one agrees to that psak, and you may be able to make chilukim between the train and other situations, but such a shita exists.

[jj1000]

Well one thing is for sure of that menorah did start a fire it would be a massive persumei mes nes. 

[Fan of Dan]

Foreign carriers like SQ and EK usually let F pax smoke in the lav (UNOFFICIALLY).

That is so cool I would love to try that!

[Galitzyaner]

Obviously you've never stepped foot in an airplane lav if you think closing the bowl will separate you from anything

Lol. Ein ladavar sof.  (unlike you, I haven't been in more spacious airplane lav's like the a380 first is equipped with )

[Reb Moshe]

Lol. Ein ladavar sof.  (unlike you, I haven't been in more spacious airplane lav's like the a380 first is equipped with )

IME, SQ A380 Business class Lav is pretty big, and you could prob fit ur family in there to light the menora, and its immaculate with nice roses and air freshner, however im not so sure this Rabbi was in that Lav

[Galitzyaner]

IME, SQ A380 Business class Lav is pretty big, and you could prob fit ur family in there to light the menora, and its immaculate with nice roses and air freshner, however im not so sure this Rabbi was in that Lav

Let's be dan lekaf zchus

[L'Chaim]

In turbulence you can hold on to a cigarette. Preventing the candles from falling or the menorah from getting knocked down may not be as simple.

As I said, the issue is whether there is anything to create the chiyuv, after all the mitzvah is ner ish ubaiso. But as I said, there is at least one shita that held you are michuyav to light in a similar situation. I don't remember who was quoted in the shiur I heard, but a quick search turns up the fact that the Maharsham paskened that one is mechuyav to light on a train. The psak appears to be even for coach type seating. Almost no one agrees to that psak, and you may be able to make chilukim between the train and other situations, but such a shita exists.

Probably because a train you rent a cabin and is different than a seat. In that case

IME, SQ A380 Business class Lav is pretty big, and you could prob fit ur family in there to light the menora, and its immaculate with nice roses and air freshner, however im not so sure this Rabbi was in that Lav

That might be a problem.

[skyguy918]

Probably because a train you rent a cabin and is different than a seat. In that caseThat might be a problem.

That's why I specifically mentioned that the psak makes no distinction between different types of seating. If you think every train ticket was for a compartment, especially back then, you are mistaken.

Even if your distinction was correct, that would still leave a shaila for those in first class suites on planes.