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In general, search on AA.com for award availability.

BA
If you want to book a flight with Avios, it is known from Dan's Knowledgebase that BA.com doesn't show availability very well, but some flights definitely are searchable there. Nonetheless, it's easier to just search AA.com, and if you find a MileSAAver availability, check BA.com to see if it shows up there, too. If it does, book it there. If it doesn't, you can always call up BA and reference the flight you found. Note that there is usually a very long hold time before BA picks up, and they will charge a phone booking fee. If the flight was unsearchable on BA.com, try fighting that fee, but YMMV.

IB
IB availability will not show up on AA.com You can call AA to find IB availability, but it's hard without being able to browse dates and have to ask the rep to check flights over the phone. Searching on Qantas.com will show IB flights - supposedly if they appear there, they can then be booked by calling AA.

OneWorld Explorer [OWE] The OWE has officially been cancelled [4/8/14] as part of the latest AA no-warning changing to its award program. Here's what the OWE looked like:
This is an around-the-world [RTW] award that is calculated not by the mileage cost of specific flights, but rather by the actual distance travelled on your trip. It is especially valuable for flying business class, as the difference in miles needed between coach and business is not very great on longer trips. See this chart to see the different tiers of how many miles it costs to travel different distances. You can take up to 16 segments on a trip, but there are MANY rules to follow when booking such an award.

Be prepared to spend a lot of time when planning this trip. (Personally [@Yehuda], it took 2 months with a few weeks of break in the middle from frustration.) Availability changes everyday, so you need to constantly check back to see if flights you needed are now available. It will also likely require changing your itinerary/order of stops numerous times. An itinerary can be held for 5 days (and can be extended past that on Day 5, if they are willing to rebook each flight for you, getting you another 5 days), but itineraries with IB flights can usually only be held for 24 hours. You will find that you will have to use hub airports since you're limited to OW partners. You will not find a flight from CDG-FCO without either stopping off in LON or MAD - both of which are out of the way. It's unfortunate, as it adds unnecessary distance miles to your trip, but it can be done. Remember that BA flights have high YQ, IB/AB have semi-high YQ, US/AA have very little YQ. (Unsure about other airlines, as my trip was TLV-Europe-NYC, so those were the only airline I had to work with.) You should check flight availability, again, on AA.com but the ticket must be booked on the phone (and they will charge a $25 phone booking fee, but again, try to fight it since this ticket cannot be booked online - although, honestly, by the time you've ticketed, they will likely have helped you out with much more than $25 worth of time). Technically, you can book it with any OW partner, but the odds are you probably only have enough AA miles to book this trip. AA reps definitely know about this award, although most have never booked it before. You will find that after calling so many times, you'll know more about the rules than they do. Once you have your perfect itinerary, they will have to send it to their rate desk to price it out. This can take ~24 hours. Because it takes time, if you have IB flights on the itinerary, they will make sure IB allows the flights to be held for longer than 24 hours, but confirm this with the rep before you hang up. Once it's priced out, you can pay for it. You can use 2 or more AA accounts to pay for it, but they will require each account to have enough miles to pay for 1 ticket. (e.g. If it costs 80K pax and you have 2 pax, they won't ask you to have 1 account with 160K in it, but they will require 2 accounts with at least 80K in each.)

Feel free to contact @Yehuda with any questions regarding the OWE.

« Last edited by AJK on July 27, 2014, 04:45:43 PM »

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #600 on: January 15, 2015, 03:03:26 PM »
Thanks got it,it works!
I was using Awards/Oneworld.
Thats gives you QFs availability.
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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #601 on: January 15, 2015, 04:04:20 PM »
Thats gives you QFs availability.
I was wondering why it's missing most of OW.....and I figured BA is BA because usually the rule is what it says is what it means.....apparently not.
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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #602 on: January 20, 2015, 06:39:56 PM »
I was wondering why it's missing most of OW.....and I figured BA is BA because usually the rule is what it says is what it means.....apparently not.
We learn new things all the time!

Please consult the KVS Tool User Guide to select the most appropriate Method:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#CX

How do I search for CX flights using KVS Tool being that I need a membership number and CX charges to join?

If you would like to use the [Awards/CX-OneWorld] Method, there is no charge to join AM -- please click the [?] button in the KVS Tool and follow the sign-up link.


I am talking about KVS.

Thanks got it,it works!
I was using Awards/Oneworld.

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #603 on: January 27, 2015, 03:36:53 PM »
Does cathay Asia Miles have better inventory for J?

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #604 on: January 27, 2015, 04:14:51 PM »
Yes.
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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #605 on: February 03, 2015, 10:19:06 PM »
Is LGA-JFK considered co-terminals for an award flight? Can I change the destination from one to the other without a change fee? HKG-BOS-LGA to HKG-JFK?

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #606 on: February 03, 2015, 10:52:01 PM »
Is LGA-JFK considered co-terminals for an award flight? Can I change the destination from one to the other without a change fee? HKG-BOS-LGA to HKG-JFK?
AA will charge you.

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #607 on: February 11, 2015, 08:50:23 PM »
Anyone know why BA would be able to see J award space on QR that QF can't?

Comparing using KVS tool (though I know it's not a KVS problem, I've verified results on the respective sites)

IAD-DOH on Nov 9

QF: 
Code: [Select]
QR         708     IAD   20:20     DOH   17:00 +1       0   FS-  CS-  WS/  YS+BA: 
Code: [Select]
QR         708     IAD   20:20     DOH   17:00 +1           FS/  CS3  WS/  YS8
Which result is most likely to mirror what AA can access?

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #608 on: February 11, 2015, 11:59:19 PM »
Anyone know why BA would be able to see J award space on QR that QF can't?

Comparing using KVS tool (though I know it's not a KVS problem, I've verified results on the respective sites)

IAD-DOH on Nov 9

QF: 
Code: [Select]
QR         708     IAD   20:20     DOH   17:00 +1       0   FS-  CS-  WS/  YS+BA: 
Code: [Select]
QR         708     IAD   20:20     DOH   17:00 +1           FS/  CS3  WS/  YS8
Which result is most likely to mirror what AA can access?

As noted in the KVS Tool User Guide, [Awards/BA-OneWorld] is the preferred Method for QR Award Availability:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#QR

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #609 on: February 12, 2015, 12:02:53 AM »
It says to use [Awards/OneWorld] as well. Unlike CX where it specifically says to use JL.

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #610 on: February 12, 2015, 06:32:09 AM »
As noted in the KVS Tool User Guide, [Awards/BA-OneWorld] is the preferred Method for QR Award Availability:

Huh. I had no idea that the order on that table meant priority if it wasn't otherwise noted.

Also, I'm pretty sure that I could see that exact availability I referenced on QF a few weeks ago. They seem to have lost some access, and I wonder if it extends to AA. Will put in a call to see.

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #611 on: February 12, 2015, 03:19:11 PM »
It says to use [Awards/OneWorld] as well. Unlike CX where it specifically says to use JL.

Just sayin

Huh. I had no idea that the order on that table meant priority if it wasn't otherwise noted.

Indeed, in the KVS Tool User Guide, multiple Methods are, generally, listed in the order of preference.

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #612 on: February 12, 2015, 08:56:00 PM »
Also, I'm pretty sure that I could see that exact availability I referenced on QF a few weeks ago. They seem to have lost some access, and I wonder if it extends to AA. Will put in a call to see.

Confirmed J and Y available with AA. So also confirmed that QF is not able to see QR J for some reason, and it seems to have started recently.

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #613 on: February 15, 2015, 04:07:29 PM »
I am sure this is black and white somewhere so thanks for answering anyway

If flying one way on aa award ticket can make a stop (connection) for less than 24 hours.

Can I fly Jax - ord spend 23 hours in Chicago and then continue ord - Phl - Tlv all for 45k miles?
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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #614 on: February 16, 2015, 12:25:30 AM »
From what I remember, BA was displaying RJ award availability. Did anything change? I don't see anything showing up....
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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #615 on: February 16, 2015, 12:27:59 AM »
From what I remember, BA was displaying RJ award availability. Did anything change? I don't see anything showing up....
I purchased RJ with Avios in December. I had a very hard time finding though
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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #616 on: February 16, 2015, 09:49:13 AM »
I purchased RJ with Avios in December. I had a very hard time finding though
Its showing up on AA but not on BA.
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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #617 on: February 16, 2015, 09:52:16 AM »
Its showing up on AA but not on BA.
So Putpac. BTW, only J was was available when I searched

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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #618 on: February 18, 2015, 11:45:40 PM »
WTH are these fuel charges all about?   :o

I thought BA does not charge YQ on AA.
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Re: One World Award Search Tips
« Reply #619 on: February 18, 2015, 11:48:35 PM »

WTH are these fuel charges all about?   :o

I thought BA does not charge YQ on AA.

IME BA charges YQ on US and AA cross Atlantic flights
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