Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader

[HelpMe]

Back in the day when Israel's economy was way in the dumps and inflation sky high. One of the ideas brought up on the table by one of the ministers was to start a war with the US, and when America would inevitably win they would have to take over the fledgling Israel economy. The idea was vetoed by Golda Mayer who said (in her typical accent): "But what if we win? What will we do with the whole big America?"

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[WhyAich]

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she was known for her lines

[hocker]

+1
she was known for her lines

I'm not going to post the one against a certain ethnic population.

[meshugener]

Please..

[Achas Veachas]

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she was known for her lines

I don't think this one was actually said you know...

[sim]

I'm not going to post the one against a certain ethnic population.

i think you are referring to ben gurion

[hocker]

i think you are referring to ben gurion

I hate the Arabs because...

[meshugener]

Because?

[chaimmayer]

unfortunately it's still true

[dirah]

No I am not an isolationist and I do believe the US should and does support Israel but that does not change the fact that the US is on the short end of the stick on this deal.

So you mean to say that you're sort of an isolationist? Do we focus on what is right, or on self-interests?

I hope the PM never tries to use the "USA is next" line on "O".

You don't have to "use the line" on a rational person, he gets it anyways. As with regards to "O"...

Do you think are support of Israel had anything to do with this (911)?

I like to think that U.S. support for Israel is because it is the right thing to do. But if you want to argue from the point of self-interest and self-preservation, then of course it doesn't start with 911, it is the whole history and dynamics of the region.

[AsherO]

It sounds good but it will not work. If other Arab nations get involved Israel does not have enough resources to fight a war on different fronts.

Not so quickly. If we can afford billions on military expenditures, we can spend that instead on resettling these people.

The us is very invested in the safety of Israel as it's singular true ally in the region. That being said, they would be just fine without Israel. Not so much the other way (from a monetary perspective and security council).

I agree there is no end game. But not because of other Arab nations but because Israel would never kill 35,000 people, even if they were militants. This conflict has no solution (other than the bias goel tzedek)

I disagree on all points:

1. US knows (but won't admit) it needs Israel, for intelligence, as a foothold, etc. etc.
2. Israel couldn't done much better for itself it it didn't take any $$ from the US after 1967. The arabs were shamed and afraid of us after 1967/1973 wars, and if Israel played that to their advantage they'd have a much smaller military budget and a much more prosperous economy (starting with Sinai oil). While it's too late to undo all of that overnight, we can slowly work towards that, and that begins with the Jewish pride Israel showed in '67/'73.
3. While we'll be in golus until bias goel tzedek (in English: we'll be i exile until the redemption of Messiah), there's a lot we could do in a golus world that we aren't doing, and it requires putting our foot down and stopping to such up to the USA so much. The cease-fire tonight was the ultimate sign of weakness, may HKB"H protect us all.

Do you think are support of Israel had anything to do with this (911)?

The cold war is unfortunately still simmering, it's insane to think that in 2012 the Russians are still interested in unrest in the midddle east

Back in the day when Israel's economy was way in the dumps and inflation sky high. One of the ideas brought up on the table by one of the ministers was to start a war with the US, and when America would inevitably win they would have to take over the fledgling Israel economy. The idea was vetoed by Golda Mayer who said (in her typical accent): "But what if we win? What will we do with the whole big America?"

The 51st state, even before PR

[Achas Veachas]

i think you are referring to ben gurion

Not much of a difference, Israels Founding Fathers' attitude towards said ethnic group are well known (though admittedly probably better then Americas Founding Fathers' attitude to another ethnic group), although in this case I heard it in the name of BG too.

[jj1000]

I'm not going to post the one against a certain ethnic population.

I was discussing this war with a Muslim and he said just look at what the Israeli leaders hold and that shows why they persecute the Palestinians with out care for human life.

“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

[Achas Veachas]

I was discussing this war with a Muslim and he said just look at what the Israeli leaders hold and that shows why they persecute the Palestinians with out care for human life.

“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

As they say: "actions speak louder then words"

[Chaikel]

“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"would be"
Sounds like this is being quoted out of context

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

That's a military person saying "we won, deal with it". So what?

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

The last 3 are worthless. I'm sure there are people who wrote "Memorandum", books, or are associated with re-election committees of mayors in the US, that have said worse about black people and slavery.
It's a typical propaganda move. Start with someone who means something, quote them saying something moderately offensive out of context, and end with some nut jobs. So every associates them together, and assumes that a PM of Israel said something crazy

[YankyDoodle]

I was discussing this war with a Muslim and he said just look at what the Israeli leaders hold and that shows why they persecute the Palestinians with out care for human life.

“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

1) I never heard of any of these "leaders" (maybe just me showing my ignorance). 2)I want to see context before I believe any of them. 3) There are always going to be exceptions to the rule, but look at the typical palestinian (holding gun, shouting death to Jews) vs the typical Israeli (cleaning blood to respect those who were murdered).

[Chaikel]

1) I never heard of any of these "leaders" (maybe just me showing my ignorance). 2)I want to see context before I believe any of them. 3) There are always going to be exceptions to the rule, but look at the typical palestinian (holding gun, shouting death to Jews) vs the typical Israeli (cleaning blood to respect those who were murdered).

Really? Cause I've never seen a Palestinian in real life holding a gun, but I've seen plenty of Israeli's holding guns yelling death to all arabs. Don't know what alternate reality you're living in

[moish]

you did? where?

[hocker]

Really? Cause I've never seen a Palestinian in real life holding a gun, but I've seen plenty of Israeli's holding guns yelling death to all arabs. Don't know what alternate reality you're living in

Had you seen a Palestinian with a Gun you would have not been around to tell us the story

[ChAiM'l]