What Do You Do For Kosher Food While Traveling?

[noturbizniss]

probably in the kumkum

not if you stand there and watch them cook it in a non treif pan

[moish]

not if you stand there and watch them cook it in a non treif pan

why did you quote me

[moko]

not if you stand there and watch them cook it in a non treif pan

it's called bishul akum and the shu"a paskens that its assur even if you see no treif is used.

[moko]

it's called bishul akum and the shu"a paskens that its assur even if you see no treif is used.

not only is the foid assur, but the pot used to cook the food even if all ingredients are kosher, would be rendered unkosher

[noturbizniss]

it's called bishul akum and the shu"a paskens that its assur even if you see no treif is used.

So how do the mexicans cook your chinese food?

[moko]

So how do the mexicans cook your chinese food?

a jew lights the fire

[Jm1248]

So how do the mexicans cook your chinese food?

A Jew turns on the fire

[noturbizniss]

A Jew turns on the fire

a jew lights the fire

Are you guys serious? Im no maven, but AFAIK the reason the jew does that is so he doesn't need to be there watching the cooking. For that matter, for sfardim a jew lighting the fire is not enough. 
So your logic is that if a jew lights the fire and walks out (even if he can come in any time), the food is more reliable than the non jew lighting the fire but being watched over the whole time by a jew?

[skyguy918]

Are you guys serious? Im no maven, but AFAIK the reason the jew does that is so he doesn't need to be there watching the cooking. For that matter, for sfardim a jew lighting the fire is not enough. 
So your logic is that if a jew lights the fire and walks out (even if he can come in any time), the food is more reliable than the non jew lighting the fire but being watched over the whole time by a jew?

2 completely different halachos, they're referring to bishul akum:
http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-issues-bishul.htm

A Jew lighting the fire for the goy to cook on is a halachic circumvention of the issue of bishul akum. Whether there are tarfus and/or basar b'chalav issues where the goy is not being watched is an entirely different discussion.

[noturbizniss]

2 completely different halachos, they're referring to bishul akum:
http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-issues-bishul.htm

A Jew lighting the fire for the goy to cook on is a halachic circumvention of the issue of bishul akum. Whether there are tarfus and/or basar b'chalav issues where the goy is not being watched is an entirely different discussion.

I was saying if he watched the chef boil the egg in a pot he knows is not treif (his own pot or whatever)  then that's fine and I was immediately shot down saying it's not good unless he also out the fire

[skyguy918]

I was saying if he watched the chef boil the egg in a pot he knows is not treif (his own pot or whatever)  then that's fine and I was immediately shot down saying it's not good unless he also out the fire

But it's not fine. How is he getting around the issue of bishul akum in that scenario?

[noturbizniss]

But it's not fine. How is he getting around the issue of bishul akum in that scenario?

I see all the workarounds with a pilot light. My question is: If the entire process occured under the supervision of a jew is this in fact bishul akum? If so, i'd love to see a source.

[username]

I see all the workarounds with a pilot light. My question is: If the entire process occured under the supervision of a jew is this in fact bishul akum? If so, i'd love to see a source.

Not sure what you want to see.
The best is to discuss with a Rav, but for starters, you can look here:

Meseches Avodah Zarah 38b,   Rosh Meseches Chullin 3:61, Issur V’heter 43:1, Rambam Hilchos Machalas Asuros 17:9, Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 113:16, Aruch Hashulchan 113:1.

[noturbizniss]

Not sure what you want to see.
The best is to discuss with a Rav, but for starters, you can look here:

Meseches Avodah Zarah 38b,   Rosh Meseches Chullin 3:61, Issur V’heter 43:1, Rambam Hilchos Machalas Asuros 17:9, Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 113:16, Aruch Hashulchan 113:1.

I will look later, but what you are saying is that I am correct. If i turn on the fire and walk away and a non jew cooks it is kosher. If he turns on the fire, and I watch him turn it on and watch him cook from start to finish in a kosher pot it is not kosher?

[moko]

I will look later, but what you are saying is that I am correct. If i turn on the fire and walk away and a non jew cooks it is kosher. If he turns on the fire, and I watch him turn it on and watch him cook from start to finish in a kosher pot it is not kosher?

yes, with one caveat. In case number one you also have to ascertain that no non kosher food was cooked. To accomish that yotzei venichnas is/may be sufficient since he knows you may see him do something wrong there is a mirsas.

[moko]

These are very important halachos in shulchan aruch that are not only important to keep in mind while traveling but also if you have non jewish kitchen help.

[skyguy918]

I see all the workarounds with a pilot light. My question is: If the entire process occured under the supervision of a jew is this in fact bishul akum? If so, i'd love to see a source.

If you want a source for your specific scenario (Jew watches the non-Jew the whole time), see here:
http://www.shemayisrael.com/parsha/halacha/Volume_7_Issue_1.pdf

Jew Watching non-Jew
Even according to the view of Rashi that the concern of bishul akum is also because the non-Jew may mix in non-kosher food, there remains an issur even if the Jew observes the cooking process and ensures that nothing is added. The reason is that the main reason for the issur is because of intermarriage, and standing over a non-Jew does not mitigate this factor. <sup>77

77</sup> Rivash 514, Noam Halacha page 76.

[moko]

If you want a source for your specific scenario (Jew watches the non-Jew the whole time), see here:
http://www.shemayisrael.com/parsha/halacha/Volume_7_Issue_1.pdf

I would add to that that even though rashi on the gemarah only mentions the reason of shelo ya'acheelenu davar tamei, in the mishna rashi implies that it is because of intermarriage.

[skyguy918]

I would add to that that even though rashi on the gemarah only mentions the reason of shelo ya'acheelenu davar tamei, in the mishna rashi implies that it is because of intermarriage.

Reread the quote from my post.

Even according to the view of Rashi that the concern of bishul akum is also because the non-Jew may mix in non-kosher food

[shwarmabob]

Oy vey so many issues with the egg. Sorry I didn't reply before, got busy at work after being away eating those eggs
Anyway, we carried our own small pot for cooking eggs and oatmeal so we eat something warm. The chef for these spectacular meals was either my wife or myself depending who was on call so no Akum involved. The issue of Bishul Akum came up - painfully I must say - with sushi, which we were forced to skip. It was cheap, looked delicious and even when we could ascertain that the ingredients were kosher we had to give up on them because the rice would be bishul akum.
I hope to write the TR when things quiet down a bit here.