What Do You Do For Kosher Food While Traveling?

[moko]

I'm a bit confused as to what you mean. How was this a response to my "plus" statement?
I am a familiar with stam keilim neki'im and stam keilim aino ben yomo. This in and of itself is the issue. Bc when you inspect it there usually is mamushus in areas people don't normally check, you will be using a klei that still has the mamushus on treif on it. Therefore if you go in and see it needs even a drop of cleaning of mamushus, you have to assume it isn't a clean keli and shouldn't be able to use it within your first 24 hours of having the microwave... correct?
And being that most of MY hotel stays will normally be limited to one night, I therefore would run into practical problems of actually using the microwave. This is aside from the fact that R.S. said that even this "kashering" leaves some big shailos...

but not familiar enough with

כל קדירה שאינה בת יומא חשיבה טעמה לפגם ואינה אוסרת ונקראת בת יומה כל זמן שלא שהתה מעת לעת אחר שנתבשל בה האיסור וכיון שעבר עליה מעת לעת אחר שנתבשל בה האיסור אינה נקרת בת יומה ואם בישל בה כשאינה בת יומה התבשיל מותר דהוי נותן טעם לפגם והוא שתהיה מודחת שלא יהא שומן על פניה שאם לא הדיחה אוסר והרי היא כחתיכת איסור שלא נפגמה ויש מתירין אפילו בישל בה קודם שהדיחה:
הגה: ואם יש ס' נגד מה שדבוק עליו לכולי עלמא שרי מאחר דהקדירה אינה בת יומא והכי נהוג (איסור והיתר הארוך כלל ל"ג):

I I don't have the ש"ך and ט"ז handy to paste but ט"ז explains that the reason for the רמ"א is that the בעין is בטול and the pot is an אינו בן יומו.
In short:אינו בן יומו starts from the last cooking, not from when you cleaned the pot.
also see סימן ק"ה סעיף א in the ש"ך and ט"ז from which we also see this concept
SO if you get your microwave dirty, you can still assume that it wasn't used in the last 24 hrs and if you can clean it and you hold of the kashering process then your good to go. If you cant clean it, then אינו בן יומו doesn't belong in this conversation bec. the בעין does not become פגום until it's פגום לגמרי. This is all לכתחילה because we don't kasher unless it's אינו בן יומו, but a hotel may be considered בדיעבד, then speak to you Rabbi (or CV) for a dispensation

Personally I stick with

I think the safest bet is to double wrap effectively...

[Dan]

Most hotels don't come with a microwave in the room, they bring it to you from a stockroom where the chance of it being ben yomo is very small.

Still a double covering is obviously preferable.

[Fan of Dan]

Trying a new angle this year. Instead of bringing my trusty Foreman I bought a skillet for 18 bucks in Walmart which weighs in at 3lbs without the glass top which I don't need. This way before Shabbos I can put in meat and chicken which I vacuum sealed together and cook it normally. Steaks I will also just put in on high.

[This is who I am]

From what I was told we don't kasher a microwave as a permanent situation but if you're traveling it's OK.
But if you can double-wrap you should always be good to go.

really!!??
i guess it never hurts to double-wrap....

[askmoses]

If your quote is correct in being the din lichatchila what did you mean by

IF there's no mamashus then standard keilim aino ben yomo

So if you get your microwave dirty, you can still assume that it wasn't used in the last 24 hrs

So you mean even if there IS mamushus, stam keilim einim ben yomo.
I don't have access to a shulchan  aruch at the moment, but this certainly requires very close examination if this can be done lichatchila.

Either way double wrapping is still the only "safe" way to do it IMO. And let me ask this, how can you be sure you fully clean out all mamushus from those little vent holes? I'm asking this on a very practical level... I'm guessing This is why you will find certain authorities who won't allow kashering it at all, as for all practical purposes if you accidentally leave a little bit of mamushus, you would have a hard time making it pagum (a position many rabbonim will not allow you to do). You'll notice how they word it here http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-TheTravelersHalachicGuidetoHotels.htm

[moko]

If your quote is correct in being the din lichatchila what did you mean by
So you mean even if there IS mamushus, stam keilim einim ben yomo.
I don't have access to a shulchan  aruch at the moment, but this certainly requires very close examination if this can be done lichatchila.

Either way double wrapping is still the only "safe" way to do it IMO. And let me ask this, how can you be sure you fully clean out all mamushus from those little vent holes? I'm asking this on a very practical level... I'm guessing This is why you will find certain authorities who won't allow kashering it at all, as for all practical purposes if you accidentally leave a little bit of mamushus, you would have a hard time making it pagum (a position many rabbonim will not allow you to do). You'll notice how they word it here http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-TheTravelersHalachicGuidetoHotels.htm

The halacha quoted above is regard to food that was cooked in a non-kosher pot. That halacha is discussing the status of the food. Lechatchila one may not cook in a non-kosher pot. I was just showing that aino ben yomo has nothing to do with mamashus. ben yomo is a problem and mamashus is a separate problem. As to what mamashus is that is an entirely separate shaila. (Does shamnunis=mamushus, that is not very clear throughout issur vehetar)

[askmoses]

The halacha quoted above is regard to food that was cooked in a non-kosher pot. That halacha is discussing the status of the food. Lechatchila one may not cook in a non-kosher pot. I was just showing that aino ben yomo has nothing to do with mamashus. ben yomo is a problem and mamashus is a separate problem. As to what mamashus is that is an entirely separate shaila. (Does shamnunis=mamushus, that is not very clear throughout issur vehetar)

Ainom ben yomo and mamoshis are two of the concerns when it comes to kashering a non kosher klei. I think you know I'm aware they are separate but both relevant problems and yesh omrim not so completely separate...

[Menachem613]

My wife makes many of the same foods we eat at home and we heat them up using a portable burner.

But that assumes the smoke alarm won't go off in your hotel room.

[Dan]

But that assumes the smoke alarm won't go off in your hotel room.

Done it hundreds of times without incident.

[Emkay]

does anyone know if the rabbinical office of milan is relied upon for food or how i would find out

[AI-TRAVEL]

Are Einstien bagels kosher?

[dd321]

Are Einstien bagels kosher?

don't thnk so


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[damaxer91]

Looks like I may have been onto something with the Pomegranate meals

[Dan]

Looks like I may have been onto something with the Pomegranate meals

Was waiting for you to comment on the TR
Great call!
If you live in NYC it's a no-brainer, it's definitely the way to travel.

[eis517]

Was waiting for you to comment on the TR
Great call!
If you live in NYC it's a no-brainer, it's definitely the way to travel.

Can you give us an idea of what Pomegranate's prices are? what about shipping?

[jj1000]

Can you give us an idea of what Pomegranate's prices are? what about shipping?

See the reply to dave.

[askmoses]

Great call!
If you live in NYC it's a no-brainer, it's definitely the way to travel.

I'd say the same for La Gandola on the West Coast. They are familiar and wrapped/sealed the food well and I think the bbq ribs I had for Shabbos night were even better then in the resteraunt!

[jj1000]

I'd say the same for La Gandola on the West Coast. They are familiar and wrapped/sealed the food well and I think the bbq ribs I had for Shabbos night were even better then in the resteraunt!

They freeze it?

[Dan]

I'd say the same for La Gandola on the West Coast. They are familiar and wrapped/sealed the food well and I think the bbq ribs I had for Shabbos night were even better then in the resteraunt!

If the prices are the same as the restaurant that will be much pricier.

[eis517]

See the reply to dave.

Thanks! those prices are so reasonable! I was expecting a lot more!